How to stop camping and tunnelling

This idea is even worse than the original thing that BHVR themselves tried by stopping hook progression. So essentially you'd be asking for survivors to abuse this system in order to give themselves a buff.... yeah no.

They would need to severely nerf survivors then, because this game is not balanced around 12-hooking. And there's BT, DS, Unbreakable, flashlights, firecrackers (bugged btw, looking up doesn't even stop them) to protect survivors

BHVR tested out a very similar thing early on in the game where if the killer was standing near the hook it would pause whatever hook state the survivor was in. Survivors abused this by purposefully looping the killer around the hooks. Your idea would be the same, only it would then buff the survivors on top of that. So no, that's a terrible idea.

That person isn't thinking clearly about the different variables on how this would be abused. 5% bonus to gens already shaves off 4 seconds from completing it, and that's not counting perks or items. Now combine that 5% buff with a perk like resilience that gives you a 9% bonus on gens if you're injured and you essentially have given all survivors a bonus equivalent to prove thyself without them needing to have more than 1 person on the gen. Again you combine that with other perks and add-ons and yeah no, this is too easy to exploit and abuse.

There is no abuse at all, just think about it. Those 5% are absolutly meaningless when you can "abuse" those 5% by looping around the hook. How is 5% worth 2 survivors inactive? Possible 3, because the 3rd can not go for the unhook.

Its a streight up anti facecamp build, thats all it is.

Ok, you're coming from the side of a killer camping 2 or 3 hooks at once. I'm coming at this from what the average experience will be like, because again survivors abused a similar system way back. Now follow me here:

Killer downs 1 survivor. Killer hooks survivor. Killer plays like normal to look for more survivors. Survivor comes and makes obvious attempt to go for unhook. Kill goes back for them. Survivor then proceeds to loop and run close to the hook, giving the other two survivors a gen speed buff on top of whatever items/perks they may have.

Now you may ask, well why doesn't the killer just walk away from the hook? Because that would ruin any sort of pressure building. Why would you force a player choose between letting survivors get a free unhook, or giving all survivors a repair boost? That's not in any way fair.

Now let me paint you another scenario. Say the survivor gets the unhook and the killer goes after the unhooker, downs hooks them. Now say the recently unhooked has resilience. If one of the other survivors comes and decides to do the same thing, running the killer around the hook, you have now given that recently injured survivor a free prove thyself bonus on top of everything else they're running.

Plus when you consider SWF as being a thing in the game, this system could be exploited even MORE with them communicating with each other.

So again, no this would not work. Survivors have shown in the past that they abuse mechanics like this and that is why such mechanics are not in the game. Survivors literally ruined anything like this from ever being implemented for themselves.

You say that playing around hook is a dumb thing to do but that is LITERALLY what the survivors did in the past that made BHVR say nope to their own mechanic. Like I'm sorry but that is a fact, and you thinking it's a dumb thing to do doesn't negate the fact that this is what happened and it happened to a point where it became a problem. This "fix" that you are offering is again very similar to what BHVR themselves tried to do, only you are giving survivors a buff rather than stopping a hook state and just like in the past, survivors will find a way to exploit the hell out of this mechanic.

I guess we have to agree that we disagree here. Swarming the hook is in my book not benefical at all and 5% wont make it. As killer this is one of those free win games that end very fast in a 4K. Smart survivors sit on gens and dont hold the killer busy next to the hook but that is just my opinion.

You are right.

However the developers were going in the right direction when they attempted a blanket fix for camping/tunneling with the hook-pausing mechanic. Where they failed is by not following through with what they were doing. The Developers had a very generalized rule for camping; if a killer stayed within so many meters of the hook the struggle timer would pause. What they should have done, was once they realized survivors could abuse that rule, then they should have taken that rule and made it more precise to prevent abuse.

For example: If the killer is within so many meters of a hooked survivor and is not in a chase, then the struggle timer pauses.

Honestly I agree that something should be done, but I don't think there's anything they could in this game that's going to prevent camping other than just try to incentivize the majority of killers to leave hooks and go for chases instead. But even then, you will still get that one dick head who will still face camp for the lulz, even if you pause a hook state, you'll still get that one guy who will do it. There's literally no system that they could implement to stop it which honestly is kind of the cold hard truth when it comes to this whole situation.

Every game has campers, EVERY GAME. World of Warcraft, an MMO-RPG has campers, even after Blizzard implemented a system to where if you killed a player, then they are worth 0 honor for a certain amount of time and that didn't even stop people from camping. There are people in every game where they don't care a out points or gold or rewards. To these dickheads their reward is making others suffer.

Again it sucks, but there's nothing that can be done about it unfortunately.

I actually do like this idea, but it's gotta move somewhere away from everyone. Cus like, yeah I get being camped sucks, but if the hook just spawns right next to the survivors you'd essentially just be giving them a free unhook which will remove pressure from them. If the hook would work like that then yeah something like this wouldn't be a bad idea. Essentially it'd function similar to a king of the hill style mechanic where in some games the hill will move away from the teams and force them all to move. Yeah thumbs up from me.