Decisive strike needs a nerf now

Just needs to be part of base kit but have a risk attached to it. Then we can assume everyone has it (like now), but there is a price with it, instead of being an "oh $%&#" button.

I can't remember who had the idea but there was a VERY good idea in a thread a while back.

DS definitely needs changes and a rework is in the works as confirmed by devs. We just gotta be patient

@Schorts94
DS IS extremely frustrating for a killer, but it would help in the meantime if you just try to not get frustrated/pissed (I know this is hard to do, but I've been able to kinda stay calm over it). However, would be pretty dumb if a non-obsession brings DS and then has an empty perk slot because they're not the obsession. I think a complete rework would be a better solution than just removing non-obsessions' ability to DS.

@ThirdSealOPplzNerf
Dribbling is a (pretty effective) counter. Unnerving will root out those that can't hit the smaller skill check. Letting the survivor DS over a drop-off is a partial counter. Enduring is a partial counter.
I think more people would agree than not that a 3v1 is always in favor of the killer (to get at least a 2K) regardless of # of DS users or SWF. But that's just my assumption...
All exhaustion perks have counters, e.g. Exhaustion-causing addons that exist for almost every killer. You shouldn't keep saying that there aren't counters to certain things when there are.
I would agree, it needs a complete rework and I believe the devs are going in that direction from what they've said...

@Tsulan said:
Attackfrog said:

@BACKSTABBER said:

no, it needs a buff:

* not difficult skill check
* usable everytime you got transported and not just once

I agree. Every survivor should be able to use it every time. But why just one skill check? If they miss it they should get another chance.

Last time I checked, survivors have two hands!

I agree.
The stun should also incapacitate the killer for a longer duration. 

I forgot about that! When I get stunned, it goes away too fast. They should add the blind effect too because sometimes I can see where the survivor runs and that's not fair.

It should also jumble my sound (sometimes I hear their breathing) and give them a sprint boost for 3/4/infinite seconds.

Gamzello said:

Wasn't there an announcement of DS getting a nerf?

Attackfrog said:

Just needs to be part of base kit but have a risk attached to it. Then we can assume everyone has it (like now), but there is a price with it, instead of being an "oh $%&#" button.

I can't remember who had the idea but there was a VERY good idea in a thread a while back.

mcNuggets said:

@Nikkiwhat said:
DS is only a problem/annoyance when the entire team runs it, usually a SWF...but in my experience not as many people run it or of so, max 2 players end up running it...which is a non-issue for me personally.  Maybe if playing as Legion and Freddy it'll be a bit worse...but there are other aspects of this game that need focus.

I don't like the Perk personally, but it is what it is...

Play rank 1.

i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

@The_Crusader said:
@powerbats Another overly long post deriding people you disagree with.

For the record no I don't chase clickly clicky guy with DS. Thats the point though, a lot of killers dont waste time on the obsession. 1 perk shouldn't be able to do that. You shouldn't have to decide whether you have time to take a stun or not, you shouldn't be punished forbdoing your objective. It's not fair on the other survivors either as some killers purposefully ignore the obsession and go for everyone else instead.

The community have spoken, DS is overpowered. The devs have spoken, DS is overpowered.

It's overpowered, end of.

I wasn't deriding anybody actually, merely pointing out the excuses that always get used and that there's things that can be done. I could care less if the obsession has DS or not and the fact that you ignore them because they've got DS means you're handicapping yourself.

the perk isn't making you ignore the obsession that's all your choice to not go after them and take them out of the equation. You're also not taking punishment for eating a stun, you're making them waste a perk slot for a 1 time use. You need to stop playing the victim card here, start acting like a killer and let them waste it by dribbling, running enduring etc.

Some killers will go for a Claudette just because she's a Claudette even if she's the obsession, see a Jake with a TB go for them even if they're the obsession. I get tunneled by killers that simply hate me because i play stealthy and they know I don't use DS.

There's killers that ignore the obsession because guess what they've got STBFL while toehrs tunnel the obsession because of Dying Light or Remember Me.

Also the community hasn't spoken did you magically survey over 1 million players or w/e the numbers are? did you magically go to an alternate reality where the devs said DS is overpowered?

What the devs have actually said is that DS is too strong, not that's it's over powered which is why they intend to nerf it some. Just as they nerfed movement speed perks for survivors because they were too strong with the exhaustion changes.

As I said though that even if they removed DS you've just proven my point that you'd then go onto another perks that's op or find something else in game to complain about.

@mcNuggets said:

If most of the people doesnt have an issue with the perk, why does everybody critizise it?
Why is it one of the most used perks and often determines the survival of players who wouldnt have survived without the perk?

As I said before, it's always a different perk that's complained about, before it was SB, then it was healing, now it's DH and AD. Most survivors that use it get caught anyways within 20 seconds or less because they're not really good with it.

I am a survivor main myself and I use it 24/7, because its overpowered and has no real counter play to it.
Just admit, it's a overpowered perk.

OP would mean you never get caught again, you always escape. I don't run it because it's not that great of a perk. For something with no counter play why do killers run Iron Grasp, Enduring, and dribble the obsession so much?

Imagine killers having a sort of perk like decisive, imagine the forum posts.

Imagine killers having an instant down that they can repeatedly use the entire match instead of just once.

Also most pathetic argument:
"If someone is toxic, they will be toxic no matter what"

When you can't refute facts post something nonsensical since if someone's going to be toxic they'll be toxic is common sense and factual.

If they wouldnt have tools to be toxic, they can't be toxic, smart guy.

Wow did you really just try that, I mean I said and I quote "> @powerbats said:

They don't need an EXCUSE to be toxic, or a perk or an item since if they want to be toxic they will whether it's tea bagging you, sandbagging their teammates. They could rage quit on you the moment they get downed and they didn't need a per or an item for that.

Since if someone wants to be toxic they can and will be, and yes they don't need tools to do that hecne all ym examples above. If someone wants to be toxic they don't need a flashlight to be toxic to their teammates, they don't need any items to tea bag the killer endlessly.

PS:
BBQ is only good on viable killers, killers tend to run it, because of the BP, if it wouldnt give any BP, nearly noone would use it.

Well that's funny since so many killers can and do run it for both reasons not just your so called viable killers. Just because you can't play a killer you don't consider viable with it means you can't play a killer viable with it.

@Vietfox said:
ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

@Vietfox said:

1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

@ThirdSealOPplzNerf
Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

@Vietfox said:
ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

@Vietfox said:

1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

@ThirdSealOPplzNerf
Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time

lol you guys, DS isn't OP or even good at all. Its just a Chinese propaganda. Put down your tin foil hat for once.

@Vietfox said:
yeet said:

@Vietfox said:

ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

@Vietfox said:

1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.



Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.



@ThirdSealOPplzNerf 

Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.

PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

@Vietfox said:

ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

@Vietfox said:

1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.



Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.



@ThirdSealOPplzNerf 

Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.

PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time

@yeet
Not at 100% but enduring should do the job if you can't count on dribbling.
Enduring makes DS worse than its tier 1, and that tier is pretty bad already since gives the survivor little time to go away enough from the killer.
If i'm not running Enduring because that killer doesn't need it then i'll try be in the right position to make sure the survivors go to where i want them to go after using DS.
Does it guarantee i'll win 100% of the times when using these tactics? Of course not, i'm not entitled to win every single match, but DS is far from being an issue to me.

@Vietfox said:
yeet said:

@Vietfox said:

ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

@Vietfox said:

1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.



Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.



@ThirdSealOPplzNerf 

Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.

PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

@Vietfox said:

ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

@Vietfox said:

1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.



Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.



@ThirdSealOPplzNerf 

Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.

PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time

@yeet
Not at 100% but enduring should do the job if you can't count on dribbling.
Enduring makes DS worse than its tier 1, and that tier is pretty bad already since gives the survivor little time to go away enough from the killer.
If i'm not running Enduring because that killer doesn't need it then i'll try be in the right position to make sure the survivors go to where i want them to go after using DS.
Does it guarantee i'll win 100% of the times when using these tactics? Of course not, i'm not entitled to win every single match, but DS is far from being an issue to me.

still not a hard counter

@yeet said:

@powerbats said:

@yeet said:

still not a hard counter

Nor will there be a hard counter which you're well aware of, so you can stop trying to use that to justify your argument. There's no hard counter for a lot of stuff on both sides but I don't see you saying remove killer sided stuff.

many of the strongest killer perks like NOED, BBQ, have hard counters

NOED yes, BBQ no because you can't always get behind a gen, especially if it's facing the wrong way. If someone gets grabbed out of a locker or a mid vault near a hook well you're screwed.

so no BBQ doesn't have an actual hard counter, a hard counter would be where you could hide and never be seen like behind a tree/rock/completed gen/angled gen.

@thesuicidefox said:
Only the obsession should be able to use DS. For every other instance of the perk in the group increase skill check size by 10% and stun time by 0.5 seconds.

That's a pretty good idea. Or, keep non obsession DS in the game but reduce the stun time by .x seconds for each DS perk in the match?

@fcc2014 said:

@Schorts94 said:
Seriously getting so fed up with this dumb ass perk. Multiple games I keep getting hit with it over and over and I'm getting really pissed. Just had a game where I didn't get a single kill against a 3 man cause of this perk cause everyone had it and I got hit and my time was wasted. Can we make it to where only the obsession can use it?

GIT GUD!

Okay, that was an epic and quirky response. Very cool.