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I feel like Oni sucks.
You get his power like, twice a game.
Dash movement is pretty stiff.
And M1'ing takes forever.
How does ANYONE ever get downed by this guy???
I feel this way when I face against him as Survivor, too. I just don't get it.
Unless there's nothing to get, and he is considered bad by most people who know what's going on.
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I wouldn't say he generaly sucks, he is one of the better killers for sure.
But he rely on first hit early and slug to rly have a chance to win a game.
Also some maps are bad for him (indoor usualy).
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Twice per game? Are you serious? I get about 8-10. Oni's only counter is survivor skill. If during fury they hide, hug tight loops and don't go out in the open then yeah he can feel useless.
Use the sash addon as that moderately increases fury's duration, you can get 2 or 3 downs in a single power bar, especially if you run infectious.
He's an excellent killer
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Because of the way its phrased. I Don't think its a largely disagreed concept that oni can be kinda weak, but this post spits it out in a pretty inflammatory and hostile manner. Its clearly bait because its not "Oni is bad, how can we fix this?" its "Oni is bad, i hope this pisses some people off."
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Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it bait.
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I feel like you have no idea what you are talking about. Confusing your own inexperience with the killer being weak is laughable at best and cringe at worst. As a hard core Oni main I can tell you he is easily top 5 even top 3 potentially (though most streamers would disagree with top 3.) A good Oni is rare sure but when you see one you will realize just how stupidity strong he actually is. No killer has the potential to end the game vs 4 healthy survivors the way Oni can. "But what if they spread out!?" Apply some pressure and force them together, also known as GITGUD.
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Oni has a bit of the nurse/huntress syndrome that if you suck with them you will do really bad.
I for one can't do anything as oni
I do know that people that know how to play oni will dominate rank 1's
He's not bad, just difficult
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You're kind of exaggerating his weaknesses, OP. I do agree however that Oni is severely overrated. A team of Survivors who can make getting the first hit very difficult will absolutely destroy even a good Oni (Avoiding the first hit isn't even that hard if you've got sprint burst and/or good map RNG). Sure, he'll get the hit eventually. By that point though, 3 or more gens may have popped and all the Survivors should be spread out. Therefore, you cannot snowball easily. Especially if there's a few Unbreakables and/or Decisives in the mix.
Generally speaking, people seem to think Oni is good because he can stomp in Pubs. The level of coordination needed to properly counter him is rarely ever found in the average solo que team after all. In the average solo que team or casual swf, people will make mistakes such as taking a hit early or they'll all group up making snowballing easy as hell. However even a semi coordinated team, swf or not, would destroy the average Oni. Maybe even good Onis. Either way, Oni is barely ever ran in comp for a reason.
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Blood Fury Oni is probably only below Nurse on chase potential. If you don't know how to play him it's fine, but don't blame the killer.
Wait, ain't you the guy who also made a post calling LTs overpowered? LMAO.
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@OniWantsYourMacaroni I call upon thee
Also, I seriously feel like you’ve never seen a decent Oni play. It’s very strange to me that you only get his power twice, since you need to injure survivors to get your power. His Demon Dash is pretty easy to control once you learn how to maneuver properly. You can also M1 faster if you release it sooner. It requires a good sense of timing.
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Oni isn't remotely bad. I often win games at 4 or 5 gens remaining with him. RPD and Lery's are brutal maps for him, but that's not an Oni problem. That's an issue of the devs deciding it's fun to waste player's time by designing maps that completely counter certain killers but then not giving the player any information about the map in the lobby.
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Oni is a strong and fun killer. The issue lies with him suffering from the Plague-syndrome and Nemesis-syndrome alike: survivors have too much control about when or how he gets his power, since it's tied to stuff survivors do or not do for the most part (Plague) and if he can't build up his power quickly enough in the beginning, he'll have trouble later on in the game (Nemesis).
If anything, the devs would need to address these weaknesses.
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If you only activate his Fury twice a game, you are doing something wrong.
As Oni, your early game can be pretty slow, you need to reach Blood Fury as soon as possible. To get it activated as soon as possible, it's often best to just hit the first survivor you find and let them run away to search for another healthy survivor instead. Hitting healthy survivors gives you a boost in blood for your fury, hitting an innjured one does not (bc they are already spilling blood orb for you to pick up). Since normally survivors start somewhat together, it should not be difficult to find two of them. If your first survivor knows how to play and to deny you your first hit, abandon him and search for a better target. With this you should be able to reach Blood Fury in the first minutes most of the time.
To get subsequent activations, use Sloppy Butcher so they take longer do heal and drop more Orbs. Since staying injured helps you alot, they have no other choice than to heal through your sloppy to not throw the game. Places where the survivors healed or finished gens while injured should be full of orbs, watch out for that and keep them in mind.
An important thing to now about Oni power is that survivors do NOT drop any blood orbs while you are in Fury Mode. So the more survivors are injured, the better for you to not activate it. But you shouldn't avoid to down an already injured survivor with your power at full cost, either. If you can manage to down one injured fast with your power, activate, down and pickup your target, and you won'T have spent much of your meter and have it full again in no time.
Yes, movement is limited, but it's hella fast. If you wan't better movement, use Topknot addon, that helps immensly. When being looped around structure, since the rush needs some time to activate, start charging it before / while you are moving around a corner, so you can dash away the instance you are straight again. Try to hit them with the charge strike instead of with the regular Strike, bc that one is easier to hit.
If the survivor is really good at looping tight structures, do not bother to try to dash there (at least as a beginner), but chase normally and try to hit the regular Strike. You do not have to hold M1 for the whole time, just long enough for a regular lunge attack will make you perform a demon strike. If you want to hold all the way, be wary that you will make a mini-dash before hitting with the club.
He certainly is not bad, a skilled Oni, knowing how to flick correctly, is a real threat to you. I guess you did not face one if you think Oni is a bad killer. Sadly, Oni players are so rare that newer players do not seem to have much experience with them. Whenever I face one in soloQ, they usually go down like crazy, and practically handing him the victory. Sometimes I can run an Oni with active Blood Fury longer than all the previous of the other survivors combined (speaking of like 4-6 chases) (Same against LF, btw). So you actually need not be a very skilled Oni to do good against your average soloQ scrubs. Of course, facing a coordinated team / swf will make it considerable more difficult, but still manageable.
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I play him on Xbox and still completely disagree. He can win the game at any moment and that can't be said about lots of killers. Seems you just need to practice with him a bit and you will see.
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Oni only sucks on console due to the frame drops making his smash hard to hit.
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Oni isn't weak. If you don't know how to play him you will struggle massively though. I am dreadful with Oni, but that's a me issue.
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Dash movement has strafing and no collision, try less to play it like regular billy and use the extra mobility to your advantage
using m1 in power to down you don't actually have to hold it for the full 2 seconds for the insta down you can hold it for 0.35 seconds then release and you will do the insta down attack, just get close to people and back rev them with it
also he is a slow killer in terms of how long it takes him to get his power and how often he isn't in his power so you need perks to build more pressure while in power, like infectious fright to make up for his slow but strong nature
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Oni is one of the hardest to play killers for me. But once you get good with your demon dash you will dominate average survivors. He has a very high skill ceiling.
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In me experience, Oni is actually a damn good and very dangerous killer, but he comes with a hell of a learning curve. Trust me I know this because I just recently started to pick up Oni and yeah, he's a tough one to get a hang of. Actually learning how to properly play him reminds me of when I tried to learn how to play Blight. It's gonna be rough at the beginning, but once you get the hang of his power and a feel for how he handles you'll be alright.
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he is one my favorite killers to play. regretably he is not that strong. You can get your power like 2-4 times per game, if the survivor team is bad, you can get like 6-8 times. it depends what survivor's skill-level is and how fast they do their objective.
you need to have good m1 killer fundamentals and be able to utilize his power to get quick downs in very small time frame.
He does not suck but he is not amazing. I like playing him, he is a lot of fun to play even if he has absolutely no chance vs good teams due to low power duration and punishments for downing survivors.
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Oni has a weak early game, and if you can't get momentum, you're going to struggle. But you get that momentum, the Survivors are going to really need to try to keep up with you.
Take it from an Oni main, he's difficult to pick up, but once you do, he's one of the strongest killers in the game.
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Run Lethal Pursuer and Corrupt, you’ll change your mind about Oni being weak.
Last 2 perks are your choice, but infectious/sloppy/BBQ/tinkerer/pop/ruin all work really well.
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Oni is a noob stomper so the better the survivor the harder he is to play
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He is pretty weak at the start but he's pretty strong otherwise. You should definitely be getting his power more than twice per game. Unless you know you can get away with it, don't bother with slugging and just immediately hook survivors. Picking up the survivor will spare your juice and also give you more blood orbs to collect since no orbs drop while you are in your power.
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On console he's not that good. Since I never played any games on PC I don't know, but it sounds like he is more easy to control there and probably stronger. How strong is hard to say..A or B tier perhaps?
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Oni is godlike on PC and sucks on console, because of the difference in control you have over his ability's rush attack. You can tell because survivors on PC don't even bother dodging it, and console ones always try to.
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I think Oni is pretty balanced.Maybe got prob with real red ranks but can compete vs good players.I always had fun with him
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You think Oni is weak let’s play a game and I’ll show you a good time
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When played well with the right mind set oni can be one of the strongest killers in dbd
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Oni is also one of the harder Killers to play (yes I said it). I am not talking about if you are able to hit with the club or not, the "hard" part of oni is managing your blood orbs and using blood fury at a good moment, you dont just spam it everytime if its ready, against good survivors you can lose the game pretty easily if you mess it up. Many ppl underestimate that alot or dont even get that it is important to manage your blood. Once you learned and managed it then you will have a way easier time in most of the games.
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Oni is just harder to play, but he is genuinely good. Basically the opposite of Pyramid Head who is also hard to play and not nearly as good as anyone makes him out to be.
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Oni bad? I hope I find you in game when I play oni so you can see if he is bad.
You cannot just pick up a killer and be like "oh this killer sucks" that is what I did with twins and I was so wrong.
Practice keep practicing.
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He is really good. He is top 10 in my opinion
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Oni is one of the best/strongest killers in the game.
You really need to know the maps, layouts and angles to make him work with his dash around corners etc. It's just practice.
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this guy thought LT walls were OP at 500+ hours in the game, he has so much to learn
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I just want to be clear here. About you and others that talk like you do.
Your intention is to be insulting. Make no mistake. You make posts like this to insult others. And nothing more.
Just so we're all openly on the same page here.
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I mean he’s not wrong, LT walls aren’t as op as killers and survivors think they are.
It’s also one of the most mind game tile that exists.
Which is why it keeps appearing in most maps in different styles.
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yeah that was pretty mean of me sorry bud. honestly though oni is a strong killer. getting his power is a big part of it. knowing when to pop your power, when to dash and just hold m1. when to use it at loops or just loop normally. his speed while dashing also lets him pressure multiple areas of the map while also having a one shot down potential and snowball as well. there's a bit to juggle but hes certainly not a bad killer.
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Oni is the ultimate Feast or Famine killer in the game along with having a very high skill floor(Minimum skill needed to succeed).
He's either killing everyone at 4-5 gens remaining or he gets shutdown extremely hard by survivors playing as safe as possible early game and proceeds to lose with 1-2 hooks.
Remember not only does missing with his blood frenzy give survivors an insane amount of distance but it also costs you your power to miss(either at a normal rate or accelerated if you were demon rushing).
Plus the longer you hold his empowered lunge the further you go causing a lot of misses along with giving survivors even more distance making min charged lunges best but very hard to time.
Also against survivors who know how to play specific generic tiles he becomes WORSE at things like TL walls while empowered due to the lack of a normal lunge.
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I think my biggest problem on Oni is that I can't seem to curve my dash like I see others do.
I see people take turns 90 degrees or more & whatnot. But when I play, I can't really manage much past 45 degrees or so. I even use a turn left/right hotkey, combined with mouse turning, and even combined with strafing in the other direction to try to make it wider. Doesn't seem to do enough for me. So I don't know what I'm missing, and this mobility really seems like the missing element for me.
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Oni has the weakest early game. You're just an M1 killer with nothing to help you. Getting the first hit is extremely important. As long as you loop the oni they won't be able to do much. But his slugging potential is strong unless the survivors have UB or sont go down next to team mates.
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