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Wraith needs an add-on nerf now
I'm sick and tired of silent bell Wraith's that add-on needs a nerf or something that makes it i don't not OP look at Hillbilly one of his add-ons lowers movement speed but decreases charge speed do something like that for silent bell so it isn't making this thing impossible to counter he still isn't even easy to see i look closely at my screen by the time i see him he's already unclocking.
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Can we please tone down with the Wraith hate posts? We get it, y’all hate Wraith because he’s actually good now.
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His only add on that needs a nerf is all seeing otherwise he’s fine
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which all-seeing
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All seeing blood. The one that tracks survivors for free with no downside
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At least this one is talking about his add ons which are actually quite strong. His base kit has no reason to be complained about
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Just nerf all-seeing and remove the 'true invisibility' buff that he got, and we're good to go.
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Yeah I agree with that but I’m really getting tired of seeing the constant posts that complains about Wraith. It’s the same thing with Spirit a while back.
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Wait, do we now want to be able to spot him from across the map again?
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I agree. I feel silent bell should be toned down a bbit. Maybe add a downside or make his snarls louder
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Both of them are kinda justified. Spirit is being completely ignored by the devs despite her being unanimously agreed on to be OP and wraith is very strong while also being very easy to play
Same happens for dead hard or BT really
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Silent Bell just needs to either limit him to 4.2m/s or increase his uncloak time by .5 seconds or 1 second (Probably the former). All-Seeing *Blood should be moved to Ultra Rare, with the same penalty (uncloak time).
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No, get good at the game. You can see him from 20 meters off easily, silent bell means nothing if you are paying attention. This is why there is only Nurse, Blight, and Spirit at high end play, because ya'll whine, #########, and cry when a NOT EVEN AN A TIER KILLER starts to perform well.
Alternatively, stay bad at the game and just use spine chill which has no counter in the game other than looking away.
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Please no. Not again. I don't want to cry on Blood Lodge again
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Spirit does need a change but my point was that seeing constant complaints about her got repetitive, even though that even though she is my favorite killer, she does need changes. Also I don’t think BT is much of an issue like DH is.
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The downside is it takes up an addon slot, all seeing is nice but it means you only have one other addon slot meaning while you can get more information you are weaker using your power then with different addons
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It won't stop until the whiners get their away.
I think the issue with him is that all the tunneling Freddy mains switched to him and people are just over saturated with the amount they see him and how often he tunnels. Only thing that a nerf will do is have all the tunneling mains switch to a different killer.
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Dude, is an red add-on, it has to be good to justified the 7000 bp cost, the one that shows the auras when you are cloaked is way more broken that the silent bell in my opinion.
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Very desperately, there is so much about Wraith that needs nerfing
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Switch all-seeing blood to Iridescent, Silent bell to purple and include a reduced duration of the speed burst granted when using this add-on.
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What do you think would be a good nerf to Wraith? I’m curious.
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nope he is fine
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Wraith: gets nerfed.
Clown: now has 10 bottles by default and reloading doesn’t decrease movement speed.
*Everyone moves to Clown*
”Clown is OP pls nerf!”
Clown: gets nerfed.
Trapper: can carry all traps by default.
*Everyone moves to Trapper*
”Trapper is OP pls nerf!”
Trapper: gets nerfed.
Legion: feral frenzy decreases survivor movement speed.
*Everyone moves to Legion*
”Legion is OP pls nerf*
…
It’s a never ending cycle!
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I'm pretty sure that they'd want the devs to nerf Wraiths movement speed to 96%, make his M1 only take half a health state, making him need to hit the survivor 4 times to down them, and have him sparkle like the Christmas Tree in Dubai while cloaked.
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Haha very true.
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. Wraith cannot be anything more than a punching bag. It's illegal for him to be better than that.
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If they would revert his buffs I would be happy. Nothing over the top. Old Wraith was at least mostly fair to verse.
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In the context of the other buffs he got, this one put him over the top. We either keep the buffs we all wanted him to have, or we lose the one that broke him and now allows him to be ridiculous cheesy and boring/frustrating to go against.
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Does that include making him 110%? He can instantly cloak to move around the map, he has a megalunge for his chase power, and he can get free hits. Revert Wraith to his old self, remove true invisiblity, nerf his OP add-ons so Wraith mains can't crutch on Windstorm and All-Seeing, and make him 110%. That's my proposed Wraith nerf, he's OP as hell and needs a nerf. And I'm TOTALLY not bad at the game or anything.
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Fair enough. I have one more question, we all want to see you on Mr Gimms’ podcast. Would you be interested?
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The only thing I think that needs nerfing on Wraith is All Seeing Blood. I'm not really sure how you can nerf it though maybe swap its rarity to iridescent though because its effects are literally that powerful.
Free wallhacks with absolutely no downside is nutty and you can't disagree lol
Otherwise he's perfect imo
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I think silent bell is fine if it get some sort of other warning or maybe if the silent bell was silent from a certain distance. Or maybe they can make the whoosh sound gone instead of the bell ringing sound. Also I see a lot of people complaining about all seeing-blood and I don't see why.
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With all due respect it's dismissive comments like that one which prove that Wraith posts need to continue.
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He really doesn't. People need to learn how to play against him.
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No. People hate him because some of his addons are problematic. They make him wayyy too annoying to deal with and it needs looked into.
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He's not even A tier, he's still an M1 killer
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That was definitely an issue before but now wraith isn’t add on reliant. You can run without windstorm and do just fine
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Nope. Wraith is the perfect balance of a killer that doesn't need add-on. His add-on also change his style of play WITHOUT stupid hindrances which makes the add-on USELESS.
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I agree with the people that say that only All Seeing - Blood should be nerfed. Imo that is the only addon that gives an gigantic boost at no cost. Every other addon is fine, even the Iridescent Clapper: the uncloaking is already silent for half the animation, experienced players obtain the same effect of not giving survivors a chance to react without the addon. In other words it's only good for inexperienced killers.
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No he doesn't. In fact from now on no killer will need buffs or nerfs anymore because with the new system all of them will have the same win ratio no matter how op or bad they are.
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If a killer never appears in the upper bracket, and gets destroyed when they do, that may indicate they may need some buffs. Conversely, if a killer’s k/e ratio only drops in the highest brackets, they may need some nerfs. Just win ratio isn’t everything.
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But this add on gives way too much benefit. Let’s compare it to other aura addons
Bubba’s light chassis: Reduces his movement speed in use and can only hold it for so long
Clown’s cigar box and middle finger: Intoxicated survivors already give away positions and antidote’s cut into your tonic supply
Hag: Only last 5 seconds max and hag can just teleport and hit most the time anyway.
Myers: comes with a massive downside of being stuck to 105% move speed and can’t effectively chase survivors
Wraith’s has no downside and allows him massive info and a complete removal of stealth while also being useful in loops
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I hope silent bell gets downside which makes survivors hear wraith's grunting sound bit louder when Wraith uses it.
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Tbf 10 bottle clown sounds kinda ridiculous. Plus throwing 10 gas clouds would probably crash current gen consoles
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It does have one downside - since you can only see auras while cloaked, you can't take advantage of the aura and get a hit without uncloaking first, which takes time, slows you down and alerts the survivors.
Granted, this isn't a great compensation considering how he can make up any distance lost with the uncloak lunge, but it is a downside. In my opinion, using this add-on should make Wraith visible while cloaked, but still undetectable and with some particle effects to show he's cloaked. Survivors would be able to spot him from a distance and would know for certain he's using the add-on.
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True invisibility from a distance is a buff everyone wanted.
Everyone thought it was ridiculous to see him from the other side of the map.
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I started using the Wraith with Undetectable, Dark Devotion, and Beast Soot/Bone Clapper. He still wins. So it’s mostly people being unable to out predict the wraith they’re up against. Wraith seems simple, but that’s what makes him all about predicting/positioning. He is only annoying on maps without many vaults.
As long as you have vaults, and healing capabilities the wraith isn’t so bad. Wraiths tend to run Sloppy, or that add on that applies Mangled with a successful surprise attack. My “Nurse” main survivor is ready to counter that.
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Regardless of how you feel about wraith if you’re looking at hillbilly as a standard for addons I really gotta question your judgement
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He is not good, he is OP. Huge map control as he is fast, really good in chase with the huge speed boost, huge advantage between pallets as he runs faster... and invisible without beatrate. Well i guess that's way too much.
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There’s “almost” no way to counter Silent Bell on indoor maps (which do exist, in case you forgot). Sure, you can run Spine Chill but even then it’ll be difficult to tell where he’s approaching from. You can hear his snarls, but if he starts uncloaking from around a corner it will also be difficult to hear, especially if you’ve got some progress on the gen.
I don’t think Wraith’s add-ons need a major overhaul, just something subtle such as:
Coxcombed Clapper - Makes bell Silent, BUT reduces base movement speed to 110% (4.4) which also reduces cloaked movement speed by 5%. Why is this a fair nerf? If you’re using Silent Bell then you’re using it to get sneak attacks, not go on long chases. So you’ll get punished for using this add-on the wrong way, but sneak attack playstyle will remain nearly unchanged. Maybe even make Wraith’s snarls/footsteps slightly louder.
All Seeing Blood - Swap this with Wraith current Iri All Seeing, and make it so his speed coming out of cloak is much shorter (so he can’t just anti-mindgame loops with free aura reading).
Windstorm Blood - Reduce the overall effect so he’s not so blazingly fast in cloak (he already got his base cloak speed buff so this add-on doesn’t need to compensate for anything).
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so are you gonna tell people effective ways to play against him or just drop that and leave?
Just nerf the numbers on all his add ons, they buffed him to his 2 best add ons and left all the other ones so compared to old wraith new one is running 4 add ons a match
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