Killer is even less fun now

That just means the system is "functional" by giving you the statistical 50% win/loss ratio. According to the developers anyway. It's not all that different from a lot of other games with MMR. You'll stomp 2 games, then get stomped in 3 games. Then you'll stomp 3 games, one close match, and get stomped in 3 games. A fair and balanced match that feels that way is hard enough in more easily balanced games, with equal combatants (3v3, 6v6) but in a 1v4 game with countless variables? Goodluck.

I don't think thats really what they meant. A system that lets you steamroll a team, then get steamrolled the next match is not fun for anybody. The team the game lets you steamroll has absolutely no fun because they essentially have no chance. Then when YOU get steamrolled by the next team you get matched with, you have absolutely no fun because there was quite literally 0 chance you were gonna win that matchup. The system doesn't work at all, because BHVR does not have a solid grasp on the skill levels of its playerbase and the varying builds that can carry or kill you. The MMR system is incredibly flawed because of these things, it doesn't factor in enough and it promotes sweaty gameplay that causes constant steamrolls that nobody enjoys. Each lobby should contain varied skill players to create meaningful matches, not a 4 man of mediocre players then a 4 man of godlike ace mains. Same goes for killer, i shouldn't be getting matched against the hosehermanos_2007 the rank 20 trapper main when i have 2500+ hours in this game, and yet because the game wants to ocasionally give you "easy" matches it happens anyways.

This is not a healthy system.

The mmr is fine, the queues are not, they need to loosen it a bit.

I agree in a perfect game we shouldn't have to use the current meta to stand a chance. If I have to play a specific way instead of what I like, I'm no longer having fun and tend to play something else. There are characters that I enjoy playing as but said characters often get destroyed by the top tier ones. In Overwatch for example I love playing as Sombra but she is terrible without a coordinated team working together. In DBD I love playing trapper, gf and PH. Though when I start facing all red swfs I switch to my trusty Nurse so I at least feel like a threat again.

It's because it isn't about killers and their powers, it is a systemic problem. The gen speed to chase time ratio is heavily favored for survivors. If survivors don't loop and just hold shift + w it takes 47 seconds to down them for both hits. Factor in the time it took to find them, pick them up, walk to a hook, and hook them, you easily spent 65+ seconds. Gens are 80 seconds, now you just lost 3 gens. Yeah, now someone has to go for a save and you chase 1 and another goes for a hook. But the time you spent to get that hook is negated in the same amount of time by a single survivor of a team of 4.

The problem is time efficiency when survivors play for gens is not good. The game is balanced around the idea that survivors should be scared of the big bad killer, and try and hide and be scared to do gens. They are supposed to look for totems and chests. The problem is the minute survivors stop roleplaying as a "survivor" the game falls apart.

The only reason those top 3 killers do well is because nurse and spirit can cut that chase speed down to 20 seconds or less if they are really good, so the time is much more favorable. Blight is only good because he can cross the entire map in less than 10 seconds too, so he can be at all places. No other killer can really manage any of this because their powers are too weak to end chases that fast.

Behavior does not take weeks to do things. They take months, and for those we are lucky if they do a slight numbers tweak, or change 1 or 2 perks. The problems here are systemic, not something they will fix in weeks. Look at keys, they promised a rework for those a year ago at this point. Where is that at?

How many years will it take them to notice it and change something completely different that no one asked for?

Give it some time until you are at the Skill Level where you belong. Many Killers are currently boosted because they played against weak Survivors while gaining Rating Points for the SBMM. Now they face Survivors who are better than them, resulting in more losses.

I think the kill rates will drop even further.

Correct. But people have been claiming kill rates of 75% and those are far from true. Now more than ever. That´s why i say the kill rates will drop across the board.

Do we complain about stuff we know nothing about now?

Dude, dont forget the Killer Perk releasing in 3 Chapters. Really, they want to make Killer braindead, I swear!

What more data do they need than when we make post after post about whats broken? And it still doesn't get fixed, they don't listen. Nemesis has had issues since launch, clear, and GLARING issues, they don't fix it and don't listen. Pinhead had glaring issues on PTB, things that could be abused, they didn't get changed. The twins, had and still do have issues with their kit, nothing changes. Tricksters kit has had and still does have problems be it add ons or otherwise, nothing truly changes. It took wraith LITERALLY YEARS to reach a viable level, despite people saying what his issues were over and over again. Freddy was able to be exploited FOR YEARS before they finally redid his kit. They don't listen, and they don't make changes fast enough to meet up with their next killer release time after time. By the time they actually fix all the sub Top 3 killers add ons and perks and overall power abilities there will be another 12+ killers released half assedly they'll have to fix yet again.

Posts are irrelevant. People are biased, numbers are not. Look at the completely different viewpoints between survivor mains and killer mains. Who should they trust? You are clearly a killer main, so your opinion is skewed in that direction, and is not objective. The same with survivor mains. One side says that something needs to be change, and the other side says that it is fine as it is. Who is right? Even for those of us that play both sides, we will have biases based on our own experiences and preferences, so even some of our opinion will be subjective, no matter how objective we try to be. Numbers are completely objective. The problem has been that their numbers were based off of faulty data, and that's what they were using to determine what they felt were the "truths". If the new system works properly, they should start seeing more accurate data, and see where the problems really lie, especially at the highest ranks. If certain killers can't compete at the same level as others, it should become obvious. If killers, in general, can't compete with survivors because the game mechanics favor survivors, it will show in the numbers.

I would argue that finding survivors that actually outplay you and are "equally skilled" is like finding a unicorn. Plus that's hard to measure anyways because the way killer's and survivors play is completely different and outplaying different killers at different times and locations doesn't necessarily indicate that one's skill is lower or higher than the other in the first place.

You don't need to be skillful as survivor to give the killer a hard time, the game is balanced around survivors that don't know what they're doing. Which means if you're a survivor that knows what you're doing and you're very skillful on top of that, you will break the game.

This is my biggest gripe with MMR. It's not killers having 3 minute chases against survivors that just cannot be caught because they make right reads, they outplay them every time, etc. It's the game lasting 3 minutes regardless of how chases go, and survivors who barely look behind them, go to safe positions and stall with second chances while their team holds M1 on an inanimate object, while listening to spotify or watching youtube videos. And while this is happening, the killer is sweating trying to outplay each and every one of them consecutively, successfully, consistently and fast.

It's inherently unfair, and it didn't matter before because most random games would be a little bit more chill, they balanced out the horrible imbalance of the game. You could think long term in a match, create deadzones, go for fancy moves, make some mistakes (an unfairly small fraction of the mistakes survivors make), and you'd mostly be fine. Now it's this bullshit match, after match, after match, after match, after 5-10 minutes of matchmaking. I stopped playing, and I hope I don't play again until something changes.

This goes under the assumption that everybody who plays killer is going to downright lie in order to get stronger. Thats bullshit, everybody knows its bullshit. But you guys keep playing this "them vs us" thing falling into the bullshit over and over again. It isn't just killers noticing things are broken, survivors make the same posts, again...nothing changes. And it isn't like they never had any data to go off of. AT THE HIGHEST RANKS community members have noticed whats busted, and whats not for years....but they don't listen to our posts. They'd rather go look at an excel spread sheet than listen to people who've put thousands of hours in.

We have big long form discussions about this on and off the forums. Again, it took them ages to even acknowledge that the collision issue with freddy even existed. And even longer to re-do his kit....WHEN WE KNEW IT WAS POSSIBLE FROM DAY 1. "Hey when is wraith gonna get any love" I could pull up at least 100 of those posts from before his rework. The twins, again FROM ALL RANKS BOTH SURVIVOR AND KILLER knew her kit was gonna be trash and need fixing out of the gate. We sat there complaining about infinites as soon as it was found out you could exploit them. Took them years to fix that and then bandaid some BS with entity blockers....

Gen speeds getting wild at top ranks? Meh still an issue and still ignored.

Killers being skill capped instead of releasing to be viable at red ranks? Nope still ignored and killers still come out Trash tier and people inhale dubious amounts of copium to say they aren't but then you throw that same person into an all red match and they fold. "Oh damn I didn't know it was this break neck up here"

Survivors having perks and flashlights that either bug out or don't work? Oh here's BHVR's idea lets just make flashlights wobble...for what tho?

Killers still having add ons that literally do nothing beneficial? Crickets.

The nerfing of killers who can actually perform at red ranks instead of buffing the weak ones? Crickets.

Separating Queues and buffing solo survivor so that you're not required to be in an SWF to perform at red ranks? Crickets, again been complaining about SWF vs solo for years, not a damn thing changes and solo survivor is about the worst its ever been.

But yeah keep thinking posts are irrelevant, you'd be a good employee at BHVR since they don't pay attention to whats going on either. Better yet a job at Turtle Rock since they stayed tonedeaf so long they had to shut down Evolve. Gonna come back 3 months from now after they've "analyzed the data" to figure out "oh damn....our top players were right...woops"