3 changes that make sense to balance the game or something drastic?

They'd have to remove all exposed effects from killer powers and perks.

Games would probably end faster and become very miserable for solo survivors.

Camping and tunneling would increase due to lazy killers wanting to get someone out asap. The devs would have to figure out a way to prevent it completely and I don't have faith any solution they come up with would work, rather, it would make the game break once again.

I'd rather they just balance maps and make them fair for both sides. That is really the biggest issue with the game. Heck, I'd go so far as to make BT basekit as long as killers get something as well. BT is enough to discourage tunneling and encourage survivors to rescue.

If you struggle to play against swfs then accept the loss or play more dirty and focus 1 or 2 more specifically.

I assume people who makes these posts struggle against optimal swfs.

Extremely good swfs are rare so I don't get the constant 'let's nerf them' yeah swfs would require more balance but this is not the route to take with it.

You can't balance the game around SWF's without hurting the game for solo queues, and you can't have separate versions of the game. The devs have enough trouble with one.

I'd much rather have a second objective than fewer hooks.

Tunneling would likely increase, as killers can get people out of the game even faster, and get the win. I doubt camping would change either. Those that camp would still camp. And since camping and tunneling are considered valid tactics, there is nothing to fix there.

A change like that would not improve the game and would just make a lot of unnecessary work for the devs.

Face it dude no camping you know what killer WILL EVER let the owners and creators of dbd take away there only means of winning a game then they wouldn't have no bragging rights on the playground lol

Nerfing SWF is not the answer, because solo queue still sucks for survivors. The answer is to buff solo queue survivors (by giving them more information and ways to communicate) then to buff killers or nerf survivors as a whole in terms of gen speed/chase time ratio. Ideally by reducing (yes reducing) the time it takes to repair a generator for less holding m1 and giving survivors some sort of secondary objective that is required to be done to progress the game, that leads to a net INCREASE in the amount of time they have to do things before they are able to escape.

And another 10 gens per swf member lol not really.

Something needs to be done though, I get battered by what seems to be strong swf every night. Of course it could be strong solos, they can exist.

Decrease 33% hook for killer.

Its like survivor only need to do 3.5 Gen vs sweat killer?

Did I say it was fair? Because I don't recall saying that. But to complain about something that is rare for most people is just dumb.

Most people go against alright swfs and don't play well against them so then they think and assume they're going against like a top 1% swf which is more than likely just not the case lol.

They don't need completely nerfed, but they can't be worked around or else it will create even more problems in the game. So all I'm saying is people need to get on with it, people shouldn't be punished for playing with their mates even if it is a hassle to deal with for the killer.

I dunno why you created that whole scenario whenever i literally just said it's rare, never said it wasn't unfair but unlike most people I can just get on with it and not come to complain about swfs on the forums lol.

Yes, FOR YOU.

Not every optimal team is a swf, which I think most people mistake that for.

My mmr is extremely high for my huntress and I've been getting optimal teams and very good swfs.

It still is rare but agree to disagree cause you clearly don't see my point.

I'd rather gens constantly regress as if they had Ruin but at a much slower pace and Ruin just speeds it up. I admit that my be too strong though and would be happy with Whispers.

Wouldn't be balanced at any rank. Your punishing new/bad swf players and making the game unbalanced at the highest mmr.

I didn't say it would make "more work" for them, I said "unnecessary work". Making changes that wouldn't improve the game would be a waste of time, just like them making changes to fix things that aren't broken, or making changes to address the symptoms rather than the actual problems.

Bro for real stop putting words in my mouth, I didn't say that.

I'm saying it is more rare than solo, far more rare.

At the end of the day I'm not a crybaby like you are clearly talking about swfs and how imbalanced the game is.

I GET ON WITH IT, that's that.

I'm not even replying again cause you're just putting words in my mouth and not even seeing my points.

Borrowed time would be a mandatory and necessary perk to run

Why does the rarity matter. I'm saying it is a problem that will eventually kill this game, top tier survivors will get tired of playing against nurse every game, and killers are going to start protesting and quitting. It needs to be fixed. And someone said it should be fixed, and then you come in and say "but it's rare" so what, why does that matter?

My matches have been just about the same, and I'd wager its been the same for every red rank killer probably more so now since a lot of red rank killers are being pulled up into the hellhole known as red. The times I've had a solo in my match I can almost smell it in the air. But SWF squads have been the norm since SBMM came on and before SBMM. Like...literally every other match. Its not rare....even before SBMM it wasn't rare. If you played up to R1 and stayed there you get about 3/4 games SWF squads instead of solos depending on the day of the week. Weekends its almost 4/4 matches of SWF.

If they don't wanna balance the game they shouldn't have any skill based or preferential queue system at all....cause at the end of the day you either put the pressure on the players and have them deal with a busted game, or put the pressure on yourself to have a prestine product.

This is why to buff solo queue, you need to give Survivors informational buffs as basekit. That way you aren't buffing SWF, much at least, and it raises solo queue to a level more comparable with SWF. Any other buffs, or nerfs to Killers, you make is going to just either keep the divide between the two the same, or potentially widen it.

Problem being, a large portion of the game was designed to give Survivors a LACK of information. Over the years it has morphed until we have Perks to provide information, in some form, for just about every Event that was supposed to be "Pay attention to know what is going on". Remember when Devour Hope and other OHKO Powers/Perks told you nothing? When you had to pay attention to team mates Health States to KNOW when a one-hit was in play? I thoroughly enjoyed those times, and now we have a jumble of symbols and garbage all over our HUD telling us what is going on and where.

There is a point where there is too much information given out. It started with Hex Totems being lit, and it's now down to "Oh hey, and the Killer has Huntress' Lullaby, Ruin, NOED, Devour Hope, and pick your Perk you need information on." We are overwhelmed with piles of information and giving Survivors even more, while buffing solo queue without really doing much for SWF, it might just be a bit much.

Look at Deathgarden's player count to see what would happen.

Sometimes it feels like people overestimate how many SWFs they verse. I've had many matches accused of being a SWF sweat squad when its soloQ

Even if I did think this was a good solution (It definitely isn't) swfs could just go into matchmaking at the same time and back out until they get matched with their friends.