A bit worried about the built to last buff.

I don't really see it being problematic with toolboxes because you'll spend 12+ seconds to activate,which should pretty much kill it for people that tried to really genrush with it

I do kinda agree, but I think one aspect that will kinda help mitigate this (emphasis on "kinda") is that you need to find a locker and hide for a few seconds. No, it's usually not difficult to do this but on some maps it can be time-consuming. Plus, we'll see how it goes on the PTB and if it does indeed get to be too much, then (hopefully) they'll adjust it.

The buff is a bit insane to be honest.

For example, using Built to Last on a yellow medkit with 24 charges allows you to replenish 48 charges of that medkit, turning a heal and a half into 4 heals and a half. This is just a normal yellow medkit with no addons or other multipliers like Botany Knowledge. Using it on a toolbox like you said will be insane combined with other perks like Prove Thyself or Streetwise.

I feel like they should tune it down to 75/50/25 instead of 99/66/33. Even with this nerf you get 150% more charges with your item, which will be amazing. Right now you get 198% more charges which I think is a little much.

That being said I'm glad they are taking risks like this with perk buffs and I am happy to see this PTB as it seems like the best one yet.

EDIT: Then again I forgot about the getting into a locker aspect, so maybe that will offset the insane amount of charges this perk gives now. We will have to see on the PTB.

All i see are "infinite" flashlights and medkits. This will be like the old SC meta times.

I trust you guys know best. Hopefully you're right!

I was going to say what the dev has said. I'd be much more concerned about big medkits. Tank builds are already underrated and this change will make them godlike.

Same, even in solo they are super useful. Saving survivors and getting a heal in 10 seconds is so valuable and you end up with a lot of points. If you play it in swf there's nothing the killer can do to win if he doesn't have franklin's.

Iron Maiden will finally become meta.

Actually the new version is a detriment to the team in most situations.

Any toolbox shaves less time than it takes to refill, Commodius toolboxes (the most efficient ones, even more than purples) save 10 seconds tops and it takes 12 seconds to refill, you lose 2 seconds (even more since you have to actually walk to a locker and then walk to a gen).

Maps wont benefit, you rarely run out of charges and they are used mostly to track totems in totem hunting builds, by the time you would run out of charges totems are long gone.

Keys only blood amber may benefit since its the strongest aura reading of all, the rest are meh and not worthy of wasting 12 seconds on a locker.

Flashlights rarely run out of charges unless you are there just to annoy the killer and spam them and people that sweaty will still run meta perks because they are stronger.

Medkits are the only interaction where you may see some utility albeit not with all of them. greens and browns have 16 charges which are a health state, if you refill them they get 15,6 charges, which isnt enough to heal yourself, using that 99% heal on others speeds a green medkit heal up to ~12 seconds (the amount it takes to refill it), only yellow and purples benefit from it.

The only use this new version has are with purple, yellow or green full of charge addons medkits and toolboxes full of charge addons and even with that is not even that great, a purple box with both charge addons saves 18 seconds, you refill it you get roughly 18 seconds again but it took you 12 seconds on a locker to refill it AND you still have to walk to a locker, get inside, get out and walk to a gen, the optimal net gain is 6 seconds but it will never be optimal also you refill it again you are already losing time since second time gives only 66% charges, so you need a rare item, 2 perishable addons and a perk to save a whoopity 6 seconds off a gen.

Sure you can go full item efficiency build, streetwise, build to last, best addons etc but you are making a build dedicated to something that will save around 10 or 15 seconds of working on a gen and at the cost of having to opt out of 2 or 3 meta perks.

Built To Last was already busted with toolbox+charges. This buff is insane. A 3 gen is impossible to defend with a toolbox+streetwise+built+Spine Chill+Sprint Burst

That sounds fine on paper, in a vacuum, but in practice things are often quite different and not so simple.

There are numerous scenarios where being in a locker for 12 seconds has very little or absolutely no impact on your ability to do gens.

Also burst gen speed is more impactful than regular gen speed. There’s a big difference between finishing a gen that is not being pressured, and burst repairing a gen that is near completion at a vital turning point in the match.

Think about the implications of the above points in light of this new change.

I’m a survivor main and this change is going to make gens fly by at absurd speeds more often than not, especially in coordinated teams.

I just made a post TLDR if you run a toolbox it is gonna be actually weaker to use all your BTL charges.

as a doctor main may I introduce you to a magical solution to your problem. running overwhelming presence and overcharge. the chances of people getting any progress with toolboxes against my doctor who has a terror radious of 56 meters when my power is ready I doubt any value will be made from a toolbox or med-kit or whatever when in my big boi terror radious cuz they lose 2X the amount of charges. but what if they aren't in the terror radious. use overcharge to kick the gen they have been trying to finish if you get there in time. overcharge is aids to play against when the killer kicks every gen they see. other perks that can counter this are oppression deadlock or devour (because they will be so focused on finding it after 3 stacks that they forget about gens and dolphin dive your totem giving much needed room to kick the gens and slow down the game) or if your feeling like none of this will work just bring franklins it is the easiest solution but the most toxic and will likely lead to the survivors getting angry as heck in endgame chat. Trust me we don't need more salt so just run anti gen perks if you load in and see your average lobby of 4 megs all wearing masks and carrying toolboxes cuz if you don't well..... prepare for the worst game of your life.

Doesnt really matter, you rarely get to heal yourself or others more than 4 or 5 times in a normal match. I rarely do unless the Killer is going overboard with split pressure with the hits (which is already a risky tactic in most Killers).

The more i think about it the more i think it's really not going to be a big deal.

The only item really worth replenishing are medkits. Seeing how you lose more time going into a locker for 12 seconds then you often gain by just repairing in case of toolboxes.

A normal medkit will take so long to replenish that you are better of to just bring self care.

So it's only really superusefull on superdecked medkits. And those already pretty much lasted a whole match

The 32-charge toolbox with wire spool and socket swivels saves a little over 18 seconds in repair time for a single use. So there is essentially no time gained from the perk (12 x 3 = 18 x 2).

Well that's 144 seconds of all 4 survivors not being on gens so I hope you aren't just walking around aimlessly.

Or they could just run Adrenaline, do the final gens injured and achieve the same thing in a fraction of the time. Or have one or two people run WMI and heal the others within its very generous window without having to lounge around in lockers.

No, because even in a full 4 man group, I don't face killers that sit with their thumb up their ass while we go heal in seclusion. Any killer worth their salt isn't going to just aimlessly wander and not actively be searching for and chasing survivors.

Well hit and run is even more dead with built to last medkits.