I’m genuinely disgusted at BHVR supporting NFTs
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I stand corrected. There is Blockchain Tech.
Something's not quite right. I have to say I'm a bit disturbed. We'll see how it all plays out though?
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Cryptocurrencies gain their value from other people buying them.
Value only goes up as more transactions are made.
Which means there's a clear hierarchy. Early adopters make the most profit, late adopters see the least profit, with a progressively lower chance of gaining profit.
That is basically a pyramid scheme. At some point there is a poor sap at the bottom who loses out, and you only get a return on your investment if more people are recruited into the scheme. The only difference is you aren't (necessarily) the one directly recruiting your source of profit, so it feels more like stocks than a scam.
As opposed to stocks, which are tied to tangible companies making certain business decisions, trading real goods and services that have value to society. Still gambling, but not an entirely circular system.
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Hah,well he got banned eventually,guess BHVR doesn't like being called out,glad I quitted this game.
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It is true for most of stuff in the world: their value depends on how much others are willing to pay for it.
It is also true for many things that you need to buy/sell it the right time if you want to get the most profits. If somebody bought it 10 years ago and was able to hold it until today and not sell them immediately after they e.g tripled their value, good for them. It was a risk and they were lucky, it could have turned out the other way around as well.
It is not a pyramid scheme, because the cryptocurrency is not claiming that you will get profit out of it, or that you have to invite 5 more friends, etc. If somebody is going into cryptocurrencies to see magical profits, it is their own speculation and responsibility... If they lose money in the end it is their fault for being dumb. Sure... there are companies who want to lure people into scams related to cryptocurrencies... But then that company is the scam, not cryptocurrencies in general.
And just as a note: I am not in this cryptocurrency business, but I find them interesting.
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Dunno if you saw yet, but SAW is going into this crap too, and with the next tome (after trickster now) being rumored to BE saw focused... bet your arse there will be saw tie-ins with this crap
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Yo bro what is the problem with NFT. Why you lose your sh*t for that?
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If you handed a Gas station clerk a $20 Bill and then they took out a 5 gallon barrel of gas and lit it on fire to "validate" that the $20 you gave them was legit, would you be concerned for their sanity?
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Well when you put it like that yes. But there is another way to do it. Have an organisation that can check chems in gassoline.
Yet again what is the hysteria for NFT. All i managed to get is that is some kind of block chain, crypto what ever. Why lossing ######### over nft and not over bit coin?
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The skin might be Butterball mate
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long story short:
The entire thing is a massive scam, mainly for money laundering, market manipulation and insider trading. And as with every such scam you need to get people hyped up and join in to mask your crap.
What's happening here is this:
People have 'dirty money' (through drugselling, human trafficking, etc) that they want to make clean. Before operations like that needed various acomplices that could always rat one out. with crapto and nfts one can do this crap easily on their own in a day: They get two nft/crapto wallets, one with dirty money. They make a ######### nft, sell it to themselves (both wallets are anonymous, so it cannot be tracked down), go through the process of turning their crapto back into actual money, pretending that the money they have was legitimately acquired through selling a nft instead of through illegal means.
No one can prove them lying, because the wallets are anonymous.
Rich people and their illgotten means have it much easier turning crapto back into actual money, which is what they are doing, using the 'hype' they cause amongst techbros to make a massive gain (as they also often hold stocks in oil and coal-companies)
So, yeah, no matter how you turn it there is no positive aspect to it, no matter how much those defending it try to make it out to be 'a cure for the broken financial market' (as crapto is part of what screws country's finances over, not a solution)
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Until nations all collaborate to create that oversight, it'll still be going on, partly because people that enjoy these popular NFT's and Blockchains love the lack of regulation. "The Man" isn't regulating their money or how they spend it.
And yeah, bitcoin is much worse, moreso 53 Gallons of gas per transaction. However if you're not a fan of bitcoin, why would you be a fan of the commercialization of its competitor to the point that it becomes just as bad?
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Thank you for explanation. But i though that every blockchain technology can't be tracked. Therefore for other cryptos that is why i was confused with nft. Anyway thank you for that.
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I think the whole point of block chain is radical decentralization. Either way you sail in dark waters without any regulation or by rules of goverment. Crypto went popular cz of no gov controll in it, i don't think it will ever be under control of the gov...
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I probably shouldn't defend BHVR on this because they haven't proven to be worthy of the benefit of the doubt, but my guess is that BHVR won't be involved with the Saw NFT based on the fact that Saw has been in the game for years and it's unlikely part of their agreement, unlike with the Hellraiser Chapter. Now that's not to say they aren't involved. I can definitely understand why people think that with recent events. But I don't think they really have much to gain from it, so they're probably not involved. Certainly not for a Tome. Now if they were adding Jigsaw or Hoffman or whatever into the game, then I could see it.
Saw doing NFT's is crazy though, cause it feels like people selling NFT's are exactly who Jigsaw would go after.
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most likely scenario is that the 'farms' will simply be turned off one day (either cause a gov outlawed it as a whole, or because those making actual money out of it find it ran its cause and that the can now make more money out of the fallout. which is likely the plan)
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Validating that you own the cryptocurrency is not resource intensive.
Saving transactions into the blockchain is the resource intensive part. (It is needed to prevent undoing past transactions).
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Oh, gotcha, so a better comparison would be to say
"If you were a gas station clerk that asked a customer for a $20 to pay for the gas, the customer went outside, taped the $20 to a rock, lit a 5 Gallon barrel of gas on fire, causing an explosion sending the $20 hurtling into the register , would you be concerned about their sanity?"
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It is not really true what they wrote you. Better do your own research on NFTs if you want to know more about it. If you don't know what it is and don't want to look into it more, the simple answer is to just ignore this hysteria and don't buy NFTs.
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I don't buy any crypto at all. Since radical decentralisation is anarchy in to me.
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More like this:
If the customer wants to pay, they send a letter to one of the Blockchain factories saying that I am giving this money to the seller. Then the seller waits a few minutes until it receives an update from the Blockchain factory which says that this transaction was minted into a Blockchain block, which confirms that the money is now owned by the seller. The Blockchain factory uses a lot of energy which probably comes from a coal plant.
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Right, but now redneck the terms down.
Send a letter: Grab cash from wallet.
Perform anti-doublespend checks: Tape the cash to a rock and detonate it at the cashier. (using rough industry standard measurements)
Both parties now understand the transaction was valid (with a negative connotation): The Cashier wonders ######### that moron was thinking?
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Explain it as you want, but I would not understand anything from your explanation and also would not know where does the environmental impact come from.
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Here's another stinger:
Remember when companies used to make (often low quality) figurines, sold them for $50+ and you had a chance to get a unique code? That was more legit than what's going on now, especially since you actually got a physical figurine.
Dunno bout you, but I'd rather had a 20 inches Huntress figurine for the price they're charging for those pngs you can't even save to your comp. but that would have meant they'd have to invest instead of just making a gain.
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Oh this isn't using an environmental angle.
But who in their right mind would waste 5-gallons of gas to give someone cash when you could just hand it to them, and that gas could be used for a boat or your ATV?
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For all the incompetency in game, I didn’t expect them to get involved in a real-life pyramid scheme. Yikes
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...that you can't use in the game in any capacity.
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As far as we know. Could be that Butterball will be NFT exclusive.
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The moment a skin is locked behind an NFT it will cross the Steam rules about blockchains.
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It's certainly a new low for a company that has the bar deeper than the mariana trench. Its almost impressive at this point.
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And they doubled down on it too, addressing none of the concerns people had before their announcement when it leaked, then doubled down again after they officially announced the partnership & support of NFTs
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Perhaps. Or perhaps they'll say that 'There's still no blockchain technology in the game and you can't trade NFTs in DBD' as an attempt at weaseling their way out. They're chatting up Epic Games on twitter apparently, so they might be fishing for a contingency plan.
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For some reason, I don't think they'll do anything to risk their multi-million dollar IP.
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I honestly didn't know I could still be disappointed in bhvr anymore but damn they really did it somehow
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Wouldn't surprise me if they did this.
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If that happens I'm going to tbag and flashlight click every Butterball that I see.
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I'm still generally upset about the whole situation. A part of me wants to reinstall the game, but.. I made my peace and I'll live with it until something right is done
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Stay strong. If you break, at least don't give them your money - your integrity is worth more than their revenue.
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That is true. The reason this hurts a lot is because it's an anniversary that my friend and I started playing dbd, and it bugs the hell out of me
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The worst part is you know full well Park Avenue did this to make a quick buck off the Hellraiser license before they lost the rights to Clive Barker in December. If BHVF was just patient or had any form of principles, this whole thing could have been avoided. Now look at them; they’re bleeding out players and have lost veteran forum users like @Orion and @Boss .
I hope the extra cash was worth it BHVR. This is what happens when you have no competition; you get complacent and do dumb crap.
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I just feel like cryptocurrency should never mingle with video games, ever. Let them stay separate in their own realms and stop trying to integrate them. They're so unlike each other. I get thatthe events here are final and they'll never truly recover from it but please... cryptocurrency does not belong here; I would appreciate if they were never enabled again. Games are for fun, so let's try to keep it that way.
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Honestly they should of just done that with the Pinhead models and they would have avoided this whole fiasco.
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From Boss Protocol's FAQ
How is Boss Protocol involved with the Hellraiser chapter of Dead by Daylight?
Boss Protocol has the official license to create NFTs based on Hellraiser using the in-game models that were created for Dead by Daylight. The company worked with Boss Team Games who controls certain interactive rights to Hellraiser from Park Avenue Entertainment and worked with Behaviour Interactive to bring Hellraiser and Pinhead to Dead by Daylight.
Will any Dead by Daylight content be locked behind a Boss Protocol NFT or require a Boss Protocol NFT to access?
No. The access granted via some of the Pinhead NFTs in this collection is to the Hellraiser chapter of Dead by Daylight on PC and there is no other DBD content that can be unlocked with the NFT. The NFTs exist as unique digital collectibles and have added benefits like rewarding certain owners with signed collectibles, and other benefits that will be revealed and delivered in the future.
Sidenote: The second FAQ answer contains a lie. The NFT will not grant access to DBD (and as such you cannot trade the Chapter), but rather the signup to purchase the NFT will put you into a lottery to be one of 10/10,000 that gets the DBD Hellraiser Chapter and then they give you the Chapter-key. I do not see a way in which they can link the key to the NFT without breaking Steam's ruling.
So, like with most NFT's at the moment, Boss Protocol is selling you a glorified PNG key and then sending you a lootcrate instead of literally using a goddamned subscription service that uses magnitudes less energy on database maintenance.
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orion you will be missed but you made a good choice what BHVR did can't be forgiven
we need to show BHVR that they need to stop ruining there company/game by going on strike
ima stop for awhile if not forever as well
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Not that anyone cares but it's disappointing that the DBD YouTuber/Streamer HybridPanda is in support of NFT technology and is somehow convinced they'll be good in the future (no matter that what, in 10+ years...how much damage will be done by then if even true) and is also whiteknighting BHVR and saying they're not at fault for this whole thing.....like how dense are people? BHVR easily not agree to such a thing, not support and certainly not promote this #########.
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Considering people are posting here "gloating" - despite not understanding context, the direction of any 'boycott', and not looking beyond their egocentric views - it's unsurprising to see people acting like that. A lot of people hopped into the crypto cult after media fed a sugarcoated version of events during this year's Gamestop/AMC fiasco.
BHVR could have just waited to deal with Barker, BHVR could have been transparent rather than putting a clearly incompetent PR person on the task of derailing the NFT talk, BHVR could have done a lot of things: until they do, the best people can do is review-bomb with accurate depictions of this whole debacle, and go into their varied communities to tell people not to waste their money on this company.
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Considering that a number of people who said they're quitting have stopped posting, including some prolific backbones of this community, I'm gonna say the disgust and conviction is still going strong.
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absolutely, I'm just waiting for either BHVR to reconsider their deal, and change their stance on NFTs, or for BP to come out as scammers and teach BHVR the hard way.
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Only the former would make me feel personally okay spending money on my favourite game again, but the latter would definitely get me to stop advocating for others to 'wallet boycott' too.
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My stance on this is pretty much Park Avenue was greedy scumbags cause they know there losing the rights to Clive Barker in 2 months so they made the NFT as a last resort to squeeze money before they lose the rights. BHVR was either oblivious or was forced into making this NFT with the deal being no NFT no Pinhead in DBD and you know how much they wanted Pinhead in DBD so they did it without waiting but they should have waited till December for the rights to come back.
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I don't think BHVR were forced, they knew about it and likely just wanted to put Pinhead in the game, not caring about the NFT.
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