Huge Pig Nerf with 5.3 patch

And what point am I ignoring? You tried to argue that the add-on is ineffective because the minimum guaranteed time per survivor is about 15 seconds. I countered that it's foolish to give much weight to a 1/256 scenario. To which you're saying I'm ignoring what you said and arguing in bad faith.

How about this, why exactly are you using the bare possible minimum value for your estimate? One that happens only one in four times per survivor at most and which requires them to find the box right away. Why do you think that your 15 second estimate is more accurate than the method I suggested to get an estimate?

Not all iri addons are meant to be strong, or even sometimes direct upgrade, this iri addon is a side grade that you use to exchange your traps which provide pressure throughout the game for having a large amount of pressure early on its cost makes up for the fact it demands nothing of you personally to use it the traps are automatically applied which is sometimes more that can be said ingame for some players since rough matches might only let the pig use 1-2 traps against a good team of survivors or with an inexperienced killer

if the devs decide to buff it to make it less of a sidegrade and more of an upgrade with its own ups and downs like adrenaline vial for example thats on them but personally I think its in a good spot and that 8 traps is way too much although im not against the pig keeping 1 extra trap for later but I think that 8 with 4 that you don't have to do anything for would be too much

Worst-case scenarios are not the be-all end-all of risk analysis. You need to know both the worst case value AND the probability of that worst case. For example, just making up numbers for the sake of argument, if your win percentage decreases by 20% in 1 out of 200 games using an add-on, but increases by 10% in 1 out of 3 games, then obviously the risk to your win/loss ratio is completely outweighed by the benefit because it's much, much more likely even though the absolute risk of the worst case scenario is greater. Or in real life you don't avoid flying airplanes versus driving by car for a long trip, even though a plane crash is much more likely to be fatal than a car accident, because the probability of the plane crash is exponentially lower than the probability of you crashing your car.

Or on the flip side, it's silly to argue that Devour Hope is insanely overpowered because the "best case scenario" is that you get 5 tokens early on and kill everybody with your own hands. Yes, you can get 5 tokens and free kills with it, but the probability of it happening is low and the more likely scenario is you might get one exposed hit or two before the totem is destroyed or the game is over. It may be a good perk, it may be a bad perk, but it would be really dumb to only look at the most extreme possible case and conclude that's the most important thing about it.

That's why I'm telling you that you can't use your "worst case 15 seconds" number as a reliable measure of how good or bad that perk is. You can make other arguments for whether or not the perk is bad, and even argue whether it's good or bad using more realistic estimates (I estimated the average was about 40 seconds I believe earlier for instance.) But when you take that 15 second number blindly and just assume the worst for every game you're getting an incredibly inaccurate picture of things.

Ok whatever, dude, I'm done trying to explain where your thinking is off. Me explaining why you're wrong doesn't mean I don't "comprehend" what you're saying.

From my point of view it's just a change not a nerf or a buff

The new Video Tape- Puts a trap on Survivors at the start of the match... so Survivors will have to decide to either get the trap off or do a Gen... And that's early game pressure

Tampered Timer- only added 10 more seconds (IMO not that big of a Nerf)

The Gears addons- Honestly I'd have to try them out to see/feel if there is a difference

So basically it's a general change to playstyles rather then a Buff/Nerf (unless someone has a video out with before and after)

Agreed that this one is not a nerf, but still, since this takes away all your traps I'd put it on green rarity tops. Survivors can take them off before you even get you first chase on some maps.

General

• Base trap carrying capacity and starting traps increased to 2 (was 1)
• Trap aura color changed from red to white to be consistent with other killer object auras

Trapper

Base trap carrying capacity and starting traps increased to 2 (was 1)

The number of traps spawned on a given map is now always 6 (was random 4-6)

Add-on – Trapper Gloves: Setting speed bonus increased to 30% (was 20%)

Add-on – Secondary Coil: Increased trap disarm time to 50% (was 43%)

Trapper Sack: Bear Traps are carried at the beginning of the trial instead of spawning on the map.

The Wraith

Uncloaking speed boost duration reduced to 1 seconds (was 1.25 seconds)

Hill Billy

Add-on – Death Engravings: Added effect: Decreases heat generated while charging by 14%

Add-on – Doom Engravings: Added effect: Decreases heat generated while charging by 14%

Add-on – Mother’s Helpers: Charge speed bonus after being stunned increased to 18% (was 12%)

Add-on – Tuned Carburetor: Charge speed bonus increased to 25% (was 20%)

The Nurse

Add-on – Torn Bookmark: Removed line of sight restriction. Added effect: Increases Blink recharge time by 50%

The Shape

Add-on – Vanity Mirror: Removed speed penalty

The Hag

Add-on – Waterlogged Shoe: Increased speed bonus to 4.5% (was 2%)

The Pig

• Add-on – Bag of Gears: Increased Reverse Bear Trap setting speed bonus to 50% (was 20%)
• Add-on – Crate of Gears: Decreased Jigsaw Box search penalty to 33% (was 43%)
• Add-on – Tampered Timer: Decreased Reverse Bear Trap death timer modification to 20 seconds (was 30 seconds)
• Add-on – Amanda’s Letter: Jigsaw Box reduction removed. Aura reveal range increased to 16 meters (was 12 meters)
• Reworked Add-on – John’s Medical File: Increases crouched move speed by 6%
• Reworked Add-on – Razor Wires: Failing a Jigsaw Box skill check while uninjured will injure the survivor

The Spirit

While phase walking Survivors within 24 meters of The Spirit (not the husk) hear a directional audio cue that gains volume with proximity

The Plague

• If the power button is released early, Vile Purge will continue charging to the minimum threshold instead of cancelling and entering cooldown
• Vile Purge cooldown move speed increased from 2.3m/s to 3.6m/s
• Base object infection time increased to 40 seconds (was 35 seconds)
• Time to cleanse at a fountain increased to 8 seconds (was 6 seconds)
• Add-on – Limestone Seal: Object infection bonus increased to 20 seconds (was 5 seconds)
• Add-on – Emetic Potion: Increased Vile Purge effectiveness bonus to 30% (was 25%)
• Add-on – Hematite Seal: Object infection bonus increased to 30 seconds (was 10 seconds)

Add-on – Ashen Apple: Removed object infection duration modifier. Added effect: Increases the number of Pools of Devotion in the trial by 1

• Add-on – Exorcism Amulet: Increased Corrupt Purge duration bonus to 10 seconds (was 6 seconds)
• Add-on – Devotees Amulet: Increased Corrupt Purge duration bonus to 20 seconds (was 8 seconds)

Reworked Add-on – Vile Emetic: Increases velocity of vomit projectiles by 10%

The Deathslinger

• Increased movement speed when aiming down sights to 85% (was 75%)
• The cooldown when a survivor breaks free is now the same duration as a successful hit cooldown
• Add-on – Gold Creek Whiskey: Removed movement speed penalty
• Add-on – Marshal’s Badge: Removed movement speed penalty
• Add-on – Iridescent Coin: Decreased range requirement to 12 meters (was 15 meters)
• Add-on – Wanted Poster: Decreased movement speed while aiming to 2.5% (was 10%)
• Add-on – Jaw Smasher: Decreased movement speed while aiming to 1% (was 5%)

The Ghost Face

• Night Shroud recovery time decreased to 24 seconds (was 30 seconds)
• Add-on – Walleye’s Matchbook: Decreased Night Shroud recovery modifier to 2 seconds (was 4 seconds)
• Add-on – Olson’s Address Book: Decreased Night Shroud recovery modifier to 3 seconds (was 6 seconds)
• Add-on – Chewed Pen: Decreased Night Shroud recovery modifier to 4 seconds (was 8 seconds)

The Blight

• Add-on – Adrenaline Vial: Increased rush token recharge bonus to 1 second (was 0.75 seconds). Added effect: Increases Rushing speed by 10%
• Add-on – Summoning Stone: Increased pallet blocking range to 16 meters (was 12 meters). Increased pallet blocking duration to 15 seconds (was 6 seconds)

The Oni

Add-on – Scalped Topknot: Reduced Demon Dash activation reduction to 0.5 seconds (was 1 second)

The Trickster

Add-on – Ji-Woon’s Autograph: Decreased the reduction of blades required to 1 (was 2)

These are the newest reworks and added things to the game I looked through them and removed ones that were reworks or a change of rarity. And found 7 things they changed that were not in favor of the killers.

Also it should be mentioned that not a single survivor got buffed! Some of the names of the items perks ect have been changed but not a single buff! I don't play as survivor alot but as a killer main I can nearly always get a 4k without camping tunneling or needing of underhanded tactics. It's sad af to see all those buffs given to killers and they are still so bad at the game they have to come here and complain instead of getting better at the game. I am a pig main these are NOT nerfs!

I can't believe she got most of her add ons looked at, and yet complete garbage like Amanda's Letter and Amanda's Secret both went untouched.

People literally can spawn right next to Jigsaw boxes lmao what do you mean not before that? Are you seriously downplaying this?

I didn't say that such a thing wasn't possible. But to say that Jigsaw Boxes as a whole are easy to find when you can't see the auras is not accurate IMO.

Even if Pig had 8 traps, with four of them placed on the survivors at the beginning of the trial, she would still be a trash killer and probably mid tier at best with the slowdown her power gives.

Pig's problem is that she is just an M1 killer with a power that slows down a survivor for a little bit depending on RNG. Depending on the survivors and the map you're on, a Pig can be looped for days and the traps do not do anything if you can't put them on anyway.

Like her other Iri add-on, it would've been nice if she had 1-2 traps left when using the video tape.

I have been keeping up and no it hasn't in fact most threads have accepted them in fact this is right now the ONLY thread that refutes anything. I have been checking and no one responded to any of the other ones but you do you dude.