Why everyone hates mmr

Really sucks being matched with people who likely have a similar play style to you. Gets boring fast, doesn't it?

The fact there is only one mmr number is boring.

Bhvr should hired me when they had the chance, because.

My design would abandon this elo nonsense, which is fundamentally no different than the previous ranking match ups. That's because it still relies on competing only two sets of numbers for a matchup, one score for the killer and a score (or average of scores) for the survivor. Very similar to the previous way matching up used to work, only with more numbers (think us customary vs imperial: using millimeters is more precise than fractional inches, but both are still linear means of measurement that can be read on the same measuring tape)

What this game needs is to pay me money to fully design two sets of ratings (survivor and killer) that measure off of five scores. Four of the scores are based on the average emblem points you earn (0 to 8000). The fifth score is the average of the first four scores ("true" MMR rating")

My system would match solo survivors that have very high objective scores with survivors that have very high boldness scores. this system would also match Swf groups that average a very high survival score (above 5000) matched with killers that have a very high sacrifice score.

Other nuances include matching survivors with a very low survival score with survivors that have a very high altruism score.

Buncha other nuances I could list off here, but I'd like to be paid for my work. Of course, bhvr could always do the work themselves, which involves work. You know, the thing that most people try not to do these days.

They called it a 99% improvement in matchups, yet they withhold the data

What they have said about the new systen isn't possibly a fact because nobody can prove or disprove it.

The old system is definitely not better for anyone except for Killers with lot of hours of play.

It constantly threw bad survivors with good survivors and made it simple to get 4ks with Killers because there was always a weak survivor you could take out quickly.

This new system is much much better for survivors. It sucks for Killers who were use to their 4ks.

Why isn't the new system any better? For the majority of players, it gives both the Killer and the 4 survivors a very equal match. How is the worse than the 100 4k win streak Killer games that use to happen.

The new system is apprarantly solely based on whether or not a survivor escapes through a gate. Sure, it's not the same, but it's similar to the old system which simply accumulated enough emblem points to determine a place in rank, through pips. Not all levels has 5 pips, but for simplicity, let's ignore brown ranks and ranks 1 and 2 pipping systems for a moment.

With enough emblem score you'd gain a pip. Doing at least one gen, safely unhooking once or healing twice, and escaping at least 1 decent chase without getting hit would certainly give you a minimum emblem score for objective, altruism, and boldness. Simply escaping was worth 5000 survival points. All of that accumulates into a -2, -1, +0, +1 or +2 pip score right? This is linear between two points, rank 20 to rank 1 (well, rank 15 to rank 3, but we will get to rank 1/2 in a moment)

You're still counting between X and Y, or rank 20 to rank 1. The new MMR score only gives you the +X if you escape through a gate. Escaping through the hatch is +0 and dying is -Y to your score. It's similar in the regard that the scoring system is linear, moving only between two points on a scale. Let's call everyone's default MMR score 1000. On your very next game, irrespective of what the killers mmr number actually is and how much it affects your score the following fact should be true: If you win, you gain more mmr, which will be above 1000. If you lose, your score will be below 1000. If you hatch, your score remains 1000.

Eventually, you get to this part of the conversation, the rank 1 and rank 2 tier MMRs. Forgive me for not knowing, but I cannot prove if mmr scores can fall below 0. If they can, then most of what I'm saying applies. If mmr scores cannot fall below 0 then that means all of what I'm saying is likely true. Basically, there are some diminishing returns once your score falls too low or too high. If you can't fall below 0, then you hit rock bottom. If your score becomes high enough, your queues become longer: as the game looks for opposing MMRs, eventually the scope widens enough that someone normally outside your range is put into your game. This infers there's a diminishing returns upon victory because the opposing mmr calculation would not net you any gains if you win that trial against an MMR score that is otherwise far below where you should be.

That means top tier MMR is similar to rank 1 and rank 2, because eventually, if you are among the highest mmr scores, you can only lose your mmr scores and won't gain anything irrespective of your win streak. Rank 1/2 either remains the same upon victory or falls down if they don't + pip....and MMR score either remains the same upon victory or it falls down if you don't escape.

Centimeters vs inches, but it's written on the same measuring tape.

I don't see why it would matter if you can only go so high or low on MMR. However, judging by results, Matchmaking is definitely putting similar skilled Survivors with similar skilled Killers.

Personally, I've always thought Kills/Escapes was exactly how matchmaking should be based. Every generator you do, every loop you evade a killer, every survivor you rescue leads to one objective, whether you escape or die. Kills/Escapes is basically what the emblem system was trying to do but was failing at accomplishing.

You could do everything perfectly on the emblem system and still die.

The end objective for survivors and killers is kills/escapes and every skill you use during the match build up to that. So it's measuring your skill.

The previous system didn't match make well. This one does.

The developers were on the right track with the original matchmaking system, they just simplified it down even more and now it works much better.

Instead of trying to see if you are doing all the tasks required to escape the match or make a kill, the system now just sees if you escaped a match or made a kill. It's the same system, but functions better because they distilled the essence of what they were trying to accomplish with the emblem system.

What I'm trying to convey most of all is that the old system didn't measure all those tasks, not with a proper measurement. It equated the score into a pass/neutral/fail system which is what this current system still does. It is very similar and in time it will show itself as such. No, it's not the same, that is true, but you will eventually begin to see similar matchups to the old system.

Because the old system used that type of information that way, it disregarded the actual scores and plays being made. It never calculated your score with your emblem score, it only measured your rank with pips. Basically, escaping is now the only means of earning a pip, which is what you said. That's exactly how the new system is similar to the old system. Both systems disregard the earned scores and both systems will still let immersed clods tier up their mmr. I think if you give it a few more weeks you'll see the similar matchups you had before.

It's just unfun.

its not only poorly designed, survivor for example are done by escapes, so you can be the one who managed to loop the killer for 3 to 5 gens or the hole match and you are the only who dies but your teammates will go higher cause they escaped even if they didnt even see the killer or just not enough... so its poorly designed.

then for killers is a sweat fest, u never can chill and win, u are forced in order to win to sweat your balls, and that hapens consiotently even if u lose a couple of games in order to make your mmr go down signifitcantly you have to lose A LOT of games... however sometimes you want to use a chill build against a decent team not against a bunch of potatoes cause u are a good killer... but instead you only get the cream of the cream with 4k hs each survivor wich is the definition of antifun in this game... sometimes you want to chill but not playing against useless survivors to make it work, just average, chill a bit between matches not going agaisnt a 4 man every game just because you won some matches.... it really feels like u get punished hard for winning a couple of matches but dont get penalized the same for losing a couple, is like your killer MMR barely changes or very slowly to go down....