When a Boon in snuffed, it should AT LEAST destroy the bones too

Running NOED is the only time where you'd actually care about preserving the bones.

I wouldn't mind if the killer had both the option to snuff or to take longer to destroy the totem, but I do want a way to break a totem so that survivors can no longer use a certain location (or that investing time into clearing boons can actually put away the problem for good.) As it is, boons feel like blowing out trick candles; they always come back on as soon as you stop.

I like the idea of permanently smashing the bones. I'd like Noed users to still be able to activate any remaining totem even if it was a Boon though. Then killers would have to track how many bones they had crushed if they still want their Noed to pop.

It's not a good idea- the whole point of the boon mechanic is to make sure survivors are returning to the same spot over and over so that they can get utility buffs and so the killer at least knows they're going to be in one spot. From the survivor side, it's also supposed to be a safe haven you can return to if you need to, and that's not achieved if you have to seek out another spot- it's definitely not achieved if you run out of places it can go.

If the effects of boon perks are too strong to be up semi-permanently, then the effects should be tuned down; there's no point in just completely abandoning the boon totem mechanic by making it that temporary.

I would definitely support a cooldown before you can change where you put the boon down, because you're right- it does undercut the idea of committing to a safe haven if you can just rebless it whenever. I don't think it's the most needed balance change ever, but it'd make it more consistent and I'd be fine with it. Similarly, I think that a boon totem having a cooldown after it's snuffed (but only a moderate one- thirty seconds, maybe) would help them think about where to put it since the killer snuffing it would have a little more impact. Again, I don't think this is a dramatic need but it is a little more warranted than the first idea.

CoH isn't a safe haven when the killer is inside. Shadow Step is supposed to benefit you when the killer is inside, but to be fair, that's the weaker half of it.

Hexes and Boons are not the same mechanic. They're not designed to affect the same things, they don't work the same, and they're not intended to have the same effect on the match. Trying to make one-to-one comparisons between the two simply, straight up, just does not work, period.

I'm not saying it can't be nerfed, I'm saying you need to be aware of what the mechanic is supposed to do before figuring out how to tweak it. The totems being relit is the core concept behind the perk and the thing that makes it work for both sides, not a problem aspect of some other focal point.

Yeah, I agree, snuffing a totem isn't worth losing a chase or leaving a patrol, so... don't do it then? No matter what other changes they make to the mechanic, even if they totally neutered it by making totems broken on snuffing, you'd still only want to snuff the totem during downtime after a down/hook, not in the middle of a chase or instead of completing a chase, I feel like a lot of people are not managing their time efficiently when it comes to snuffing a boon.

I don't mind the idea of blessing taking longer for each time a killer snuffs a totem, though. That's not a super bad idea to encourage keeping a boon up for as long as possible on the survivor side and to make snuffing more impactful, I could just see it spiralling out of control if the values are too high, so it'd have to be done very carefully.

yep it's finaly time for noed to rule dbd

It's not a safe haven if you can't relight the same totem. If you can't relight the same totem, Shadow Step is markedly less useful and CoH is just a single-use heal that you can place down a few times. If it's a safe haven, it has to be more permanent than that, that's kind of what a safe haven is.

And no, I don't see the problem in telling you to time when you snuff a boon totem more effectively than just abandoning a chase to do it. You do it when that's the best option, not because you feel like you're actively being harmed by the totem simply being up. Either nobody's using it and you're free to finish the chase, or someone is using it and you can chase them instead. It's just a resource that survivors have, it's not losing you the game passively when nobody's using it.

Snuffing totems could be more impactful via cooldown or slowing down how long it takes to bless a totem that's been kicked a few times, but if the totems are broken or the perk only has a few tokens, it completely neuters the whole idea behind the perk.

I mean, yeah, but that's because Inner Healing is kind of a mediocre perk, a lot of healing perks are stronger than Inner Healing.

If the killer can see it and knows that snuffing it permanently disables the totem it's on, then it is a good idea to ignore chase and go stomp on that totem regardless of chase or gen patrolling. The counterplay wouldn't be the same- you'd get it out of the way as quickly as possible every time you see it, and then the game just doesn't have the totems in.

Now, I can practically sense the Hex comparison coming, and once again: Not the same mechanic, shouldn't function the same way.