Stealth killers should be immune to spine chill.

This would actually make sense, much like pyramid head and the artist wich are anti loop killers, stealth killers SHOULD denny that particular type of perks for a chance of pace and playstyle.

If anything i been tinking spinchild makes no sense, specially since survivors have 3rd person vew wich perfectly allows them to se the killer from far away, to me spine chill its a crutch perk that should not even exist, it completly dennies the whole point of stealth, something that should be a valid tactic for certain killers. Survivors already have the terror radious, doesnt make sense the absurd amount of information they are feed for every single detail of the game

I would say immunity is a bit too strong of a thing to give the stealth killers but maybe turn spine chill into something like a small game kind of thing where it alerts you once when the killer is looking at you and have a 3-5 seconds cooldown.

If the survivor always runs on the first notification, his contribution to the team is severely crippled everytime you look his way.

If he stays till the second or third notification, he runs a much higher risk of getting caught.

For non stealth killers, it makes it very obvious when a killer is coming to you

For stealth killers it becomes a guessing game on when to run rather than a perk that screams "killer is coming"

Sound fair?

i agree

First off, I don't run spine chill, so the only benefit that I might have because of it, is if it saves randoms that I get matched with from dying as fast.

I don't see why spine chill should be nerfed against the one type of killers it's actually good for? Everyone else has a terror radius, so you can tell how far away they are, and if they're getting closer without having spine chill at all. I'd argue that the one thing that spine chill is actually useful for, is exactly stealth killers. If we wanna continue with the same argument, then tinkerer should also block spine chill, no? At that point, the perk does pretty much nothing useful that other perks doesn't do better, and the perk is just completely dead.

I'd argue that it's a somewhat useful perk for newer players, and that it's not even close to OP in any way, and mostly not that great at all for a survivor with a little bit of experience and skill... The focus should never be to nerf advantages that newer/less skilled players may have, it can help them while they're learning the game. The repair speed is never going to have a match-winning impact, and the only other useful part is vault speed that might be able to extend the time that you can loop a killer. With the recent trend of only releasing anti-loop killers, that value is quickly diminishing as well.

And all of this is without even mentioning the fact that as a stealth killer, you can just strafe to survivors so that their spine chills doesn't even go off, and completely negates the one thing you're all complaining about. Honestly, spine chill is used fairly rarily, is super easy to avoid triggering, isn't that great and mostly used by newer/less skilled players. If you can't take 3 seconds to figure out how to avoid triggering spine chill to begin with, don't blame the fact that you are losing games on the perk. The issue is you. Watch some tutorial vids, learn new tricks, learn how to mindgame, how to predict where a player will run, and spend 3 seconds on realizing that you can just turn your view slightly to the side as you're getting close to a survivor and their spine chills won't even activate until you're close enough to get a hit on them.

You are honestly blowing all of this way out of proportion, and you know it. Yeah, there are instances where spine chill gives a benefit, which is the whole point of all perks. If a perk doesn't give a benefit or an advantage, it's 100% useless. You're talking about a perk that is so far from meta, that the vast majority of people that use it are newer players or blendettes, and in my experience I see it at most maybe once in 500 perks (so 4 perks per survivor, 4 survivors per game, about once every 30+ games). If it was such an amazing perk as you're trying your best to make it sound like, why isn't it meta? Why isn't it in the top 4, or even the top 10 most used perks? It's not being used much, partly because there's just way better perks, partly because if you keep your eyes open and got some map awareness you'll have a decent idea of where the killer is even if you're in solo-q, or you use way better tracking perks or addons.

I wanted to adress a few things from your post directly as well. "New players shouldn't rely on crutch perks and shift + w playstyle", I never said that they should, it's absolutely a good idea for all newer players to play around with all different perks, try different builds and playstyles to see what they enjoy the most and what fits them the best. With the recent trend of releasing anti-loop killers however, learning how to best handle the shift-w playstyle is actually a necessity, regardless of how we feel about that.

"No spine chill shouldn't be nerfed to the ground just because you think it's wouldn't work against few non meta killer with a very visible white mask, its basically the fault of your team they can't look farther than 10 meters or spot a stalking ghostface in the corner, they're people not headless chickens." I'm not sure what to say about this... It sounds as if you think that I somehow said that spine chill should be nerfed? I argued the opposite... If anything, this whole comment is exactly what I've been arguing... So you agree with me?

"No spine chill isn't only for noobs, its abusable in high mmr too", how is it abusable? Nothing in the rest of your post explains how it can be used abusivly. It can be used as intended... Is it an abuse to trigger your dead hard when it's beneficial to do so? Is it an abuse to chase players off of gens when you have ruin? Please, explain how it's possible to use the perk in a way that's not intended, and actually abusive.

The rest of the post is basically you saying that it's too hard to avoid spine chill being triggered, which if you watch someone like Otz, there's lots of examples where he has been able to deduce that someone has spine chill, and been able to get close enough to trigger his 99'd ability and down the survivor before they had time to really react or run anywhere, or get a warning with their spine chill. You say that it doesn't work at high MMR, but clearly others can make it work. Are the people that can do it just gods amongst men? Are they all secretly cheating? Or is the issue maybe on your side? And please remember, that we are still talking about killers that are far from the best in the game, and a perk that's far from the best in the game. If you're playing a weaker killer, you are going to struggle a bit more, that's just how the game works. Spine Chill is quite weak in most instances, especially compared to all the other perks that you could use instead. In high MMR, you very rarely see Spine Chill at all anyhow... If you are actually high MMR (and keep in mind that the majority of players would describe themselves as being above average, which of course is impossible), you're talking about playing killers that aren't that great at that level, and a perk that's almost never used at that level... How is this a concern to begin with? Don't you have 100 other things that are way more unbalanced that you should focus on instead?

If you really see spine chill a lot, I'm sorry to tell you, but your MMR has to be low/mid, not anywhere close to high.