why is bhvr farming negative reputation?

They take most of their feedback from their investors

Reasons why many games end up on the crummier side of the line

What I am saying though is that there is a segment that always seems to speak louder to the point that it is hard to hear and even take the rest of the posts serious.

Many people I have talked to when I tell them that I frequent the forums, you know what their immediate response is? Why are you doing that to yourself?”

Because (even if some of it might be justified) there are a lot of people here who just look forward to complain no matter in what form. What’s worse is you have someone express a different opinion and they are made feel unwelcome.

A lot of the things that are often mentioned here on killer side being “too weak or too strong” I just chuckle because I experience something different.

I love this game and I play both sides and I’ve had to learn both sides to ultimately justify AND modify my opinions. So when I think someone wants to talk about DS being used right at an exit gate to “free” escape, I completely understand the cheesing behind it. However, I also look at the cheesing behind camping that might have been involved with that player and how it is available at the beginning of every match. (As examples) So even if the last hook was a more warranted “camping”. The mechanic doesn’t know that.

On the veteran playerbase, yes I agree. But guess what? The forums’ veteran playerbase is only a segment of the playerbase in it’s entirety, because those same veteran players you speak of have an opinion about the forums and their outrageous opinions, and it doesn’t exactly match up with theirs.

From the ones I have seen, I would say inexperience and overall lack of knowledge of the game.

Lets be fair here,

99% of Twitter is negative.

But- okay. As plainly as you can, if you don't mind: What relevance does that have here? How does "there are no experienced killers left" even relate to "not everyone is negative about boons", let alone counter it?

Alright, I'm following you! I see where all of the things you're saying connect, I get it. Experienced killers are leaving because of SBMM and boon totems, I'm with you. All of that makes sense.

What I'm missing is how that concept connects to what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact that not everyone is negative about boon totems, how does that connect to experienced killers leaving?

Personally I find myself playing less and less. I think it's wrong to say that player feedback is ignored. Rather, player feedback is collected, given to the devs, then dismissed.

The reception to boons has been overwhelmingly negative. They dictate how the entire game plays, they were obviously ridiculous from the PTB, and received the tiniest slap on the wrist nerf. Now we've had over a month of them and they're still overwhelmingly dictating how the match plays, and the new chapter completely ignored any opportunity to change them.

It's untrue to say there hasn't been some positive feedback for them, but in my experiences on both the forums and reddit, almost all positive feedback I've seen has either been "I love boons because they're so strong that they win me the game," or "######### YOU KILLERS WHO TOLD ME TO DO BONES, SUFFER THROUGH BOONS!!1!"

Most players are also very aware that the balance team struggles to make restrained decisions as soon as any survivor uses the word "boring." One of the least popular killers who already struggled with terrible map pressure received an onslaught of nerfs that has rendered them not only one of the weakest killers in the game, but just generally unfun to play. It would almost be excusable if not for it being a serious pattern, with Legion still sitting in the dumpster where they were left after their power was eviscerated. Pinhead just lost every add on that was worth using, rendering him one of the most mechanically complex killers in the game with almost no payoff beyond that of a standard M1 killer. Just a simple word of advice guys, change one or two things that people have a problem with. Don't take a list of everything that makes a killer strong, nerf all of them simultaneously, then wonder why everyone is annoyed that you gutted the killer.

Skill-based matchmaking has been a completely abysmal experience. DBD has never been well balanced in a competitive sense. It was nice that you got reset a bit each month, and taking a break meant you could come back and not be curbstomped just for being a bit out of practice. More importantly, the variation of player skill at red ranks meant variations in games. You didn't have to be completely switched-on and tryhard at every moment just to not be stomped every match.

We were promised a system that took literally years of work to build and implement, and what we received was the most basic "kills vs escapes" possible. Anyone who plays more than a week of the game knows that dying or surviving aren't anywhere close to indicative of your skill performance in a match.

I think the most negative part of the experience was that, in trying to pretend it was some sort of radical perfect system, they chose to hide how any of it worked, and only went public with the details after it was all exposed by dataminers anyway. Then in response to the feedback, we got the most condescending, patronising lecture about how "gee, it sure would be nice to actually be judged based on how you performed in a match, but that has too much nuance so we just threw 4 years of a system built to do exactly that out the window and gave you something that doesn't assess your skill AT ALL, and thought we'd get away with it by not telling you how it worked."

That was truly the most disgusted I've been with a dev response to players in any game I've played.

It's very clear to most of us veterans that changes to the game are very catered towards keeping the most casual, underperforming players happy, at the expense of people who've devoted huge amounts of time and money over the years.

It's very clear that balance and fairness to both sides, especially in the case of boons, comes a distant second to making sure that the most recent DLC sells a lot.

Nah, VHS studio just has drop a few keys, 2000 was the last unofficial number. It's a closed BETA so no one can jump in as he/she wishes.

Decrease started with SBMM and continued with boons. Note that the numbers you have provided are flawed because there has been a free week-end with a huge amount of players testing the game, so those numbers are kind of an overestimation.

Nah the most disgusting BHVR response was when someone said that the killer gameplay was too frustrating and BHVR answered that it would be better to play another game 😂.

I'm sure they look at feedback but the thing is even if lets say Mandy gives feed back from us the decisions most likely come from the top. So its hard to change the game when other devs don't want to implement it. But hey the statistics show pinhead performing but nurse is not. Should we buff nurse?

Terrible for not implementing popular change. Why shouldn't they think of popular demand might actually make the game survive longer

Most other game devs listen to their communities popular ideas. Them games have been going for years. This game I give max 2 more years thd state its in right now.

cash grab is not about not getting an update, it's about not getting a proper one

gameplay updates overall are extremely small with minimal changes and most importantly minimal good changes

Didn't they say that specifically in regards to making them one-use? I'm pretty sure they're still open to putting some limitations on boon totems, they just (correctly) don't want to make them into survivor hexes when their design is so much more interesting than that.

Though, while it was poor phrasing and they should've said it differently, it's worth mentioning that what you're talking about isn't the result of boon totems- it's the result of Circle of Healing specifically. The others are fine- Shadow Step is annoying but pretty easily played around, and Exponential is honestly kind of trash.

It's important to remember that CoH can be changed without nuking the core mechanic of boon totems.

Unfortunately you now have survivors saying "What do you mean my Que times are still instant" when ever I see that I know that there is some kind of falsehood going on. O matter what time I play Que times have been around 8-12 mins while killer is instant.

Now with the lower amount of killers the SBMM is broken because now it's trying to pair Survivors with the closest Killer even though the Survivors could be MMR of 8000 while the killer is only like 1000. I lost 20 games in a row before with no kills and only a handful of hooks and still got way more "skilled" survivors.

11 or 12? Where are you getting that number from...?

Anyway, as I said, Shadow Step is annoying but nowhere near brokenly strong, and Exponential is so situational that I'd honestly be surprised if I ever see it activate in a game. They aren't that strong and are far more balanced, though the mechanic itself could still do with a little work- there are too many totem spots that the killer has to invest too much time to snuff, for instance.

When they first were introduced and talked about they said the number of boons that were planned to come out I just can't think for the life of me the number that was said.

That was one of the issues people had when they were introducing Makela and the new Boon System.

No they gave a hard number but for the life of me I can't find where it was said because I dont tend to save things like that normally. And brain is not working because all the mandatory OT I have been working lately.

Cheating doesn't exist dont you know that's all a normal game mechanic like with glitched map areas where a Survivors can get and become unhittable or can't be picked up but wait because technically a Killer can get up there then it's not a issue no matter how hard it is to get up there.