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I really hate borrowed time
It was much more balanced when it depended upon the terror radius but now it doesn't anymore. I also hate how they can just body block you with borrowed when trying to hit the other survivor. Yeah Yeah I know to respect it but really I just hate it. I wish they reverted it and also make it to where you lose collision with the survivor that has the bt effect. Yeah Yeah borrowed time counters what survivors always complain about camping and tunneling.
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I don't know why they buffed Borrowed Time in the first place. It was fine before.
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Because wraith, hag and freddy could ignore it. I just want them to remove collision when a survivor has the endurance status effect.
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If I'm not mistaken they changed it because of killers like ghostface, wraith, myers and freddy who would occasionally not have/have a small terror radius, but still be good at camping.
Honestly just get the BT survivor behind you as soon as possible, survivors physically cannot keep up with a killer enough to body block if you just move in a straight line away from them. Or, you could look into using STBFL where that body block behavior just gets you an extra stack and forces them to mend.
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It was not much more balanced before, it could be countered by some killers simply by existing. It does what it needs to perfectly now.
In regards to body blocking, feel free to tunnel them since they voluntarily put themselves in harm's way again. Otherwise, it really shouldn't be a problem for anyone anymore.
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It’s a necessary perk until the devs want to do something about camping and tunneling
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As Killer, if someone tries to body block with BT, they're the next person getting hooked - guaranteed.
As Survivor, I don't run it a lot because I try to only do Safe Unhooks and/or play pretty greedy in Solo.
Whenever I need to farm some people for the Tome, though? BT goes right into my build.
>:3
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So you are tunneling or camping and BT is your problem? Then stop tunneling.
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I just think they should remove collision while you have endurance from it.
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Freddy (who was highly meta before his nerf) could just ignore it, same as Wraith. It's much better now. I don't know why it is so hard for people to count till 12. It only does something in specific situations like on a hook close to open exit gates or when there is a loop nearby. In every other situation, especially when they try to bait it/ block you, you just count to 12 and down them again...
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I have very little problem with BT, I don't think people should be going down immediately off hook regardless, and sometimes it's the only chance you have to rescue a hooked survivor being camped (by anyone other than Bubba).
I don't even mind it as killer, aside from the body blocking. Sometimes I end up hitting the survivor who just got unhooked, by accident, and I almost wish they had BT.
And I don't like the body blocking as killer or survivor. When I give myself up to unhook you, I want you to use your 8 seconds to RUN.
Sometimes I see an unhooked survivor use their BT to BM the killer, which is god tier dumb.
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Others have said it and I will join. If someone has BT active and runs away, they're safe (In all likelihood, I'll never know they had BT as I prefer to be Nice Killer Tippy and not punish someone for something they had no control over as their crappy teammate unsafe unhooked).
However, if a survivor wants to use BT offensively and bodyblock me as a killer when I'm trying to go after someone else, you've forfeit the Nice Killer Tippy and now you get Tunnelin Tippy (and no, DS won't save you either. Tunnelin Tippy shows no mercy).
Hope it was worth it!
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Did you even read the post? He's complaining about survivors body blocking with it so he can't go after the unhooker. That is literally the opposite of camping/tunneling.
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Tbh, I didn't lol. My bad. Yeah, bodyblocking with bt is annoying.
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Also to nerf victor's camping
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BT only bothers me in EGC. When a SWF with brains + 1-2 BTs will almost guarantee a 4 man escape. I'm talking about a good 7-8ish hook game where you down a survivor just as last gen is finished. You basically have no winning options as killer vs an intelligent swf.
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Tbh survivors should lose collision for a decent amount of time after getting unhooked
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Yeah if the killer was Freddy I couldn't make a save if I was asleep. I also remember face camping wraiths that just waited for you to make a save then tunneled the person off hook. Killers like that are why BT+DS exist.
As for BT now I feel it's balanced. I remember when it first got here. It used to apply to both survivors. There was no danger to rescuing someone unless you got grabbed.
As for survivors body blocking. If they want to do that I just count to 15 and down them again. Either eat the DS or let them bleed.
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Brilliant, or make Endurance status has weaker hitbox so you can push them away, like how Clairvoyance did to killer.
Feel like they should make a perk that Killer's able to push Survivor away, make the body block impossible.
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No, it's not. Most maps have obstacles in the way, from rocks to walls to trees. Survivors can push a killer into them, hindering them. Most often, the body blocking is between the killer and a doorway or pallet gap. If the killer goes around, it can take the killer a good 30 to 45 seconds to catch up to the other survivor. That's a LOT of time to lose in a chase. Hitting them wastes time, gives the BT survivor a sprint boost, and now you're out two survivors.
So, complaints on survivor side about Ruin are, what, gen rushers? Sure, there are silly complaints about perks, but in this case, it can be valid. Body blocking with BT is annoying, especially if the killer is trying to play 'fair.' It's just asking to be tunneled, then fill the post game chat with complaints.
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It's not always as simple as tunneling them because they blocked with BT. What are you gonna do when that happens and it's down to 1 gen already? Wait a minute or hope they don't have DS? No, it doesn't just protect the survivor getting unhooked; it's still used offensively.
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This is some 6/10 bait. Could use some improvement but I definitely see some good work here.
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As a killer, I really despise body blocking. I understand that it's a clever tactic, but I hate that you can 100% stop the killer with it. I wouldn't mind a slow effect, but the killer should always push and shove those pesky survivors out of the way, even a 33% speed shove would be ok, but this 100% blocking is just rediculous and just another way for the survivors to put the killers in their place.
Every side has their tool box, but the survivors tool box feels so overwhelmingly oppressive at the higher MMR, that the killer doesn't feel intimidating anymore, at all, and of that happens, I guess a game with this premise has failed.
That being said, I totally stand behind the basic idea of BT. I now started playing a bit of survivor, because I have mostly run out of killer tome quests to do, and I must admit that being tunneled within seconds of getting off the hook feels really aweful. But while I would love to run away in this situations witj BT, I guess that it shouldn't be used offensively, as it so often is. This feels way more frustrating as a killer then it should, because you did nothing wrong: you didn't intentionally tunnel, you had an eye on the hook and were there in time, you went for the unhooker, but still you are being punished and left empty-handed.
Maybe loosing collision for the unhooked person would be the solution? They couldn't body block anymore. A dream wish would be, if they also had no collision vs hits if within 0,5m of another survivor, so that you could hit them through the unhooked person. You would still protect against tunneling, but the unhooking could be risky business and BT no "get out of jail for free" card.
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