Barbecue&Chilli / Distortion buffs

@CookieBaws said:
Buff BBQ? Are you high?
It's already cheap after gens are finished.

I know BBQ is really strong already, but it is not one of the most dangerous detection perks as there are some ways to counter it. However, BBQ is the reason why everyone gets so triggered when somebody suggests a buff to Distortion (as this would encourage camping), so if it were unaffected by this perk no one would have any problem if Distortion were buffed so that it counters the detection perks/abilities that actually offer no counterplay.

@List_of_concerns said:
My gut tells me that Distortion was created specifically to counter BBQ & Chili and Bitter Murmur. It arrived with Jeff and Legion, but it doesn't counter being detected by Legion's power. I'm guessing it was made to help counter the most common aura detection perks, which are BBQ & Chili and Bitter Murmur. In other words, I think it's working as intended when it comes to soft countering (so few tokens) BBQ & Chili.

That is the issue with Distortion. It helps with BBQ, a perk that had plenty of counterplay already, while all the other perks that reveal your location for doing Generators or simply if the killer gets close can't be avoided, which is ridiculous.

Distortion doesn't counter Bitter Murmur although this is one of the detection perks that should be completely cancelled by it (unlike other perks/abilities that should only be delayed by Distortion). You will run out of tokens when you need them the most, when the Exit Gates are powered and the killer has NOED, or even sooner if you worked on Generators a lot.

Is it that big of a deal if Distortion counters those detection Killer perks that shouldn't have been in the game in the first place? Using a detection perk to know where every Survivor is, without offering them any possible way to avoid it is even more disgusting than Decisive Strike. At least against DS you can use Enduring, Rancor, play the Doctor with Unnerving Presence if you really want to counter it, but as a Survivor you can't do anything about these wallhacks.
In addition, this buff to Distortion doesn't even completely counter everything as most perks/abilities will just be considerably delayed (except for Rancor and Bitter Murmur which are indeed cancelled completely by it). If a Survivor really wants to avoid/delay such perks they should have this option; it's not like every Survivor would run a perk like Distortion( maybe 1 Survivor every 3 matches or so :chuffed: )

@George_Soros said:
Don't forget Nurse's, much more popular and actually much more dangerous than BBQ. BBQ is really just there for the grind. But Distortion works against Scratched Mirror/Vanity Mirror Myers too. (Has anyone tested if it works against Blood Warden's aura reading?)

Btw, the real usefulness of Distortion is that it helps you to learn IF the killer uses any of the above. By the time you run out of tokens, you'll probably know which aura reading perks they use, so you have a much easier time to counter those.

@Robb_Stark , if you'd want to include Rancor, Madness, Killer Instinct, Iron Maiden, it would cause a lot of confusion. The term "aura reading perk" is quite clearly defined, whereas perks and abilities that show you location of survivors are not as uniform. I feel some of it would actually make sense, but then the devs would have to be extremely precise and list all the affected (and unaffected) killer perks, powers, addons, etc. They usually fail when it comes to accurate perk description, so I'm doubtful.

Nurse's can be easily avoided by not healing in the terror radius/ using Premonition against a stealthy Killer

Distortion, as it is now, hardly delays the effects of the Scratched Mirror/Vanity Mirror addons. Firstly, because it only has 3 tokens/each token only lasts 10 seconds and secondly,** if Myers goes for this strategy, he will surely use Whispers as well and he won't leave that area. That being said you will run out of tokens in no time.**

Other than Blood Warden it is not really useful to know what reading perks the killer is using. If he has Bitter Murmur for example, he can definitely come really close to you during those 10 seconds no matter where you run to, especially if it is a Billy or a Nurse. If the Killer is a Freddy and he uses Class Photo, again, you can't do anything about it (at least the buffed version of Distortion would delay it considerably). If the Killer is a Wraith and he uses the All-Seeing addon, again there's not much you can do as there will be times when you can't put enough distance between you and him (without getting seen directly) so as to prevent the addon from activating and the current version of Distortion is not good enough against All-Seeing.

As far as the description of the perk goes, I changed it so that it says "Aura or Location" :chuffed:

@George_Soros said:
Yeah I mostly agree (except who the hell uses Premonition???). As I said, my biggest problem with your proposed changes is that it would cause a lot of confusion (unless it affects ALL aura reading/location revealing effects, but then you really do run out of tokens in no time). Why? There are a great number of such effects.
And, you wanted to add other scanning perks, like Whispers. But then why not add Spies from the Shadows, Discordance, Hangman's Trick?
It would be a pretty long perk description ^^

You do not run out of tokens that quickly because once any detection perk triggers Distortion, for the next 10/20/30 seconds you are protected against ALL detection perks/addons/abilities as a whole (except BBQ). One token is enough to protect you for the duration of the cooldown. 30 seconds is quite a long time.

For example, if Whispers triggers the cooldown and Bitter Murmur activates in the meantime, you will only loose 1 token because of Whispers, considering these 10/20/30 seconds aren't over when Bitter Murmur activates. If Bitter Murmur triggers AFTER the cooldown , then you will indeed loose an additional token.
It is also unlikely that a Killer will run more than 1 detection perk anyway.

In the description I stated that "neither your Aura or Location will be shown to the Killer"; by "your Location" I was referring strictly to the position of the Survivor, where his/her body is. Discordance/Tinkerer/a failed skill check are actually showing the Generator a Survivor is interacting with, not the Survivors themselves. Same goes for Thrill of the Hunt which notifies the Killer about the Hex totem a Survivor is interacting with, Hangman's Trick which notifies the Killer about their hook being sabotaged, Spies from the Shadows is also more related to the crows being disturbed than it is to the Survivor's Location.
It kind of makes sense to assume that the bubbles from Rancor, Doctor's Madness/ Legion's power are related strictly to the Survivor's figure/body. Whispers is also related to the position of the Survivor's figure and not to an object/creature that the survivor interacts with.

Many descriptions of the perks are quite unclear so if Distortion ever gets changed this way, all what people have to do is check the Trivia on the official Dead by Daylight Wiki. :chuffed: