Self care buff = swf nerf

Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

@Gorgonia said:
weirdkid5 said:

@Gorgonia said:

Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

That can change with dedicated servers though. 

How exactly will dedicated servers change that at all?

They could apply it now, but having their own servers would prove more efficient. If you log to a lobby thru the SWF menu then perks can have different buffs/nerfs.

We all know this isn't going to happen.

@Gorgonia said:
weirdkid5 said:

@Gorgonia said:

weirdkid5 said:

@Gorgonia said:

Nickenzie said:

RotBb said: The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update. You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

That can change with dedicated servers though. 



How exactly will dedicated servers change that at all?

They could apply it now, but having their own servers would prove more efficient. If you log to a lobby thru the SWF menu then perks can have different buffs/nerfs.

We all know this isn't going to happen.

But it definitely could. I mean, if people complain about SC being buffed not only for solos but for SWF, this could be an option. Actually, it’s the only option if you want to filter.

I've been barking up the nerf SWF tree for over a year now.

@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together 

@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together 

Wrong. Watch the depip squad. Best is to self-heal asap and stay on separate gens.

Genrushing is best done when all Survivors are by themselves. 3 Survivors spending 70 seconds on a gen, and doing that for all gens takes LONGER than if 3 people are doing gens separately. In 80 seconds, 3 gens can be done with this method.

WIthout self-care, you want to run to a gen, get healed, and then run to a different gen, which becomes real easy with voice comms. However, if everyone runs SC, it's much faster and safer to just SC when you have a moment, and with the SC buff coming, this already buffs SWF efficiency even more.

@DwightsLifeMatters said:
weirdkid5 said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together 

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together 

Wrong. Watch the depip squad. Best is to self-heal asap and stay on separate gens.

Genrushing is best done when all Survivors are by themselves. 3 Survivors spending 70 seconds on a gen, and doing that for all gens takes LONGER than if 3 people are doing gens separately. In 80 seconds, 3 gens can be done with this method.

WIthout self-care, you want to run to a gen, get healed, and then run to a different gen, which becomes real easy with voice comms. However, if everyone runs SC, it's much faster and safer to just SC when you have a moment, and with the SC buff coming, this already buffs SWF efficiency even more.

Where you got the information that 2 people on a gen takes 70 seconds? It takes 44 seconds, which is nearly half the time if you do it alone + the saved time of getting healed instead of SC. Also, there isn't always 5 gens left, at one point there are less gens than survivors and this tactic is definitely stronger without doubt.
(for the time https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Generators)

70 seconds was an an exaggeration, but regardless of is always faster. Lemme prove this with math.

Let's say in both situations the Killer is tunneling one guy who's amazing at looping for sake of argument.

Let's say the other 3 guys are all sticking together doing alm gens together, 44 x 5 is 220 seconds.

Ok, now let's say all 3 guys do it separately. They have 3 gens done in 80 seconds so each gen is individually slower, but if they do two more gens, that makes it 160 seconds total (because even if 2 guys team up on one gen, one guy still has to do it solo and could be across the entire map).

Both of these situations are optimal because the Killer is tunneling someone at the time, but you save a whole minute by making everyone do gens solo.

Even if there are less gens than Survivors, the only time you should ever work together is on the last gen, and even then it's smarter to spread out because it makes the Killers job way harder. Certain gens benefit from being done faster though, such as the Gas Haven garage because it opens up more space for Survivors.

In summation: teamwork is essentially pointless outside of healing and saving off hooks.

@Ihatelife

They wanted to make this perk good for solo players. You know how awful is to play as solo?

That's a problem with Death-Efficiency, Unequal learning curve between killers-vs-survivors and a pseudo-ranking system.

Your idea of solving the 3 above was to impulsively buff self-care?
That is worsening the problem of relative power between perks in said faction.

DwightsLifeMatters said:

Nickenzie said:

RotBb said:

The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.

No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together 

@MegaWaffle said:

@RotBb said:
The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.

Its buffing anyone who uses SC because now there is no point in having someone else waste time healing you since you can do it just fine. Now people are less likely to waste their time getting off a gen to heal you and will instead keep on trucking.

And lets face it SC is already the single most used perk in DBD so I really don't understand the reasoning behind this buff.

the reason its simple legion since he got a buff why not buff SC he can insta down the injured ppl it needed a buff also since ive seen alot of legion with sloppy butcher and thanatophobia and its strong with him

@ChesterTheMolester said:
Ihatelife said:

Exactly. But people will still complain that this is broken, same with the alert

Once the dust settled the complains stopped. Just like Make your Choice, Deliverance, Rancor etc.  

Can you point out where anyone complained about it being OP that wasn't during the initial hysteria?

I think the difference here is they were all new perks that people had little to no experience using unlike SC a perk we have had since day 1. Its far easier to see the implications the change would have since we already have a solid foundation of information.