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We're gonna live forever & Pyramid Head

Hello,

I was just in a match with Pyramid head and I had "We're gonna live forever" perk.

Upon saving someone from the Cage of atonement (or whatever it's called), I noticed that I didn't get a stack.

Saving people from the cage is identical to saving people from the hook, so I don't understand why there's no stack given for this.

I believe this is an overlooked mistake and proposition that this action be added to the list of actions that get a stack for "We're gonna live forever" perk.

Comments

  • SweetTerror
    SweetTerror Member Posts: 2,697

    WGLF definitely needs a buff. Personally I think saving someone from the dying stage should give you a stack. Generally when you're doing that you're doing it within the Killer's terror radius, so there's no reason why that shouldn't count.

  • BlackRabies
    BlackRabies Member Posts: 1,383

    All perks related to the hooks never worked with pyramid head cages. Just on of bucket head strength.

  • lovemeplz
    lovemeplz Member Posts: 84

    Cage are not a hook so any perk that supose to trigger after an umhook dont work if you got cage meaning no DS, no BT etc...

  • Tr1nity
    Tr1nity Member Posts: 5,047
  • Viamont
    Viamont Member Posts: 304

    Cages fundementally work as hooks in the sense they "kill" you, but that aside they dont trigger any related "hook" perks as they arent hooks, the same applies to dorito head sending you to a cage, any perks that are triggered by being picked up or "hooked" dont work with him as long as hes sending you to the naughty survivors box.

    Dorito head its basically an anti hook/loop killer, thats what makes him so unique and fun to play, that and being able to chop you in half in the last hook dying state

  • BlackRabies
    BlackRabies Member Posts: 1,383

    Meh, he can be fun both sides. Though bucket head can be the strongest and most frustrating to play against if he decides to hard tunnel you right off the start.

  • RoaderFrost
    RoaderFrost Member Posts: 170
    edited November 2021

    @jordanjustice We have 26? 27 killers?

    And you complain about just one ;)

    Pyramid head is not so often seen at all. And good ones are stuff of legends (sorry if any PH is offended).

    That Cage of Atonement is unique in different ways. Guess unique stuff work different.

  • Bwsted
    Bwsted Member Posts: 3,452

    There would be no issues in and of itself in making cages grant WGLF stacks. Tokens affect bloodpoint gain, but don't give any in-trial advantage whatsoever. The hook-perk argument is not that sound either. There are already multiple ways to gain tokens, of which hook rescues are only one possible venue. So, WGLF is not an exclusively hook perk already.

    BHVR doesn't probably want to go down that path, because there would be an uproar asking for cages to grant BBQ stacks as well, but that wouldn't be gameplay neutral at all. BBQ proc'ing would not only offer game-impacting effects in the form of aura reading and potentially even clue in to the potential location of the cage.

    In short, avoiding the issue, BHVR also avoids having to deal with the pettiness of this community. For once, I can't fault them for that.

  • RoaderFrost
    RoaderFrost Member Posts: 170

    Really good point.

    One change brings another to the doorstep, and a lot of people don't want to open that door.

  • jordanjustice
    jordanjustice Member Posts: 110
    edited January 2022

    Sorry for the late response...


    I'm not really complaining about the killer.. just the perk.

    The perk is useless. All it does is give more bloodpoints... which is what I'm all about.

    Sure, when saving from the cage, its not technically saving from hook. That's fine. But, the perk is more just about the saving, and less about where you save from. Therefore, my proposal is that saving people from the cage should also be a stack to the perk.


    This perk in no way affects the killer or helps the survivor out in the match. It's just fundamentally wrong to not get a stack for saving someone from the cage.

    BBQ grants an in-game advantage. If they want to take away BBQ's aura readings, to actually make it as useless as WGLF, then by all means.. give them a stack for it. Or give them a stack, without actually showing the readings for this one particular example. Its just bloodpoints. Technically, the killer got the down, so the killer deserves the stack. Who cares.

    I don't see a strong connection between BBQ and WGLF. WGLF has 0 in-game use. It awards survivors with bloodpoint bonuses off of doing certain feats that help other surviors. Rescueing another survivor from the cage is such a feat and should belong in the list of things that gets a stack for WGLF.

    The list of things fundamentally wrong with this game is so long... I would just think doing this one simple, logical thing, would be easy enough for them to do.. One less thing on the list.

  • Adjatha
    Adjatha Member Posts: 1,814

    As mentioned above, Cages prevent gaining any benefit from hook-based perks. That also includes all killer hook perks, like BBQ and Pop Goes The Weasel.

    It's also worth remembering that Pyramid Head cannot send you to a cage if you are not Tormented. And he cannot inflict Torment on you by himself. All survivors can completely avoid Torment for the entire game by not walking through the trails or - if you really need to walk through one - to crouch-walk for the half second it takes to go from one side to the other.

    Trails take a very long time to set, cannot be set near any survivor-relevant spots (gens, hooks, doors, stairs), last for 60 seconds before vanishing on their own, and have a limit on how many trail spots can be set at once. They're super, super, SUPER weak. Just don't loop in the area PH wasted time setting the trails for the 60 seconds it takes for them to go away and you never have to deal with cages.

    I find that most people who buy into the "PH is super strong" hype don't actually know how many layers of restrictions and weaknesses have been built into his whole kit.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,939

    Neither does PGTW, or BBQ, or Pain Resonance. That's literally the entire point of his cages, they are a cage and not a hook.

  • jordanjustice
    jordanjustice Member Posts: 110

    Hmm.. It's def a power against DS, which can be its own discussion. Kindred should probably work, though.. Maybe... Although, Kindred is not really needed, as the cage is generally away from the killer and I believe the killer doesn't know where the cage is.

    But with that said.. Kindred should probably work.. Its kind of useless, but it will tell everyone where the other survivors are, I believe.

  • Tr1nity
    Tr1nity Member Posts: 5,047

    When I saw the title of the Original post I thought it was talking about you.

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450

    I think that we should try making at least DS work on his cages for a ptb or something. OhTofu, a trusted veteran with legacy on like all his characters says pyramid head is S tier, and he's generally considered to be one of the strongest killers, so I wouldn't mind seeing him toned down a bit.

    Also not to throw shade at anyone, but if you'd be mad about DS working on his cages you're a tunneler. Simple as. It doesn't effect you otherwise.