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30 Losses on Nurse
30 straight L's.
I quit playing Killer normally (because it's no longer fun whether I win or lose) so I decided to try to play Killers I have never played before in hopes that it would be a fresh experience.
Apparently, that was a mistake because I've lost 30 straight games while trying to learn Nurse.
Do the people making this game understand how ######### demoralizing it is to get clicked at, t-bagged and generally treated like a joke for thirty goddamn games? I had someone send me a TWITCH WHISPER to "learn how to play Killer gg baby Killer."
I had hoped that my MMR would lower enough to the point where I might get people on my skill level, but apparently not. I'm getting the exact same perk set-ups and the exact same people as my first games. It's not even that my MMR is high, I'm just BAD at Nurse because I've NEVER PLAYED HER BEFORE. I can't aim blinks and can't land hits and I'm never going to be able to because my games are ending before I get to learn ANYTHING.
Is this a rant/vent post? yes. Am I pissed? yes. Is this meant to be taken seriously? not really. Am I close to not being able to find any enjoyment in this game. also yes.
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Is this for real? not even 1 match? how?
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I mean okey nurse is un arguably the hardest to learn but 30 loses is just ridiculous
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^ This.
This is EXACTLY why, when Killer-specific MMR was proposed, the Devs EXPLICITLY said: "killer-specific MMR will allow players to try killers they've never used before without getting destroyed and feeling discouraged."
And then they threw all that out the window and just gave ALL the killers a high starting point MMR instead, even ones you've NEVER PLAYED and/or JUST BOUGHT.
It's so stupid. Nurse highlights just how stupid it is because you MUST use her power to get downs. But even for hard-to-learn killers like Blight, not being able to practice on lower tier survivors really makes you question getting that refund.
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I am bad as Nurse.
I have never ever touched her before (for more than a game a year) and this is my first time even attempting to learn her.
She makes me kinda motion-sick and the teams I am going against are very much not willing to give me chases.
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It's not even like the teams I'm playing are objectively good. They aren't.
But I suck. I've been basically getting bodied for 30 games. The games end so quickly that I'm not able to really learn anything about Nurse, much less how to outplay the Survivors I'm going against.
I'm getting maybe 4-5 hooks a game. I'm incredibly frustrated, angry and fed up.
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Just throw more games bro
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please bro how many more must i suffer through
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Excuse me what? Is this real? Why in all nine hells would they do this? This makes the whole killer specific mmr useless
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But don't worry! You can just practice against the survivor bots in the tutorial!
... oh wait, they made tutorial bots then didn't bother to let you pick your killer for it.
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The pain will never stop until you’ll have 100 losses. No kills, straight up 400 sur a escaping against you and you depiping for 100 games ggwp
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let's go
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Yes, they set an average MMR for new players and Killers they don't have data on.
In the most recent Dev update, they announced they were lowering it.
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Just do it bro I believe in you B)
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Hey, great question! They never said. They didn't even make a comment about it. They just threw it out.
But that's well in keeping with Killer MMR. For example, the current Mid-Chapter Patch Notes points out:
- If somebody leaves your lobby, the game will just fill the spot with whoever has been waiting the longest, throwing out the killer's MMR completely.
And they're working at trying to fix that (a little bit), so that's nice. But that's not all! If a GROUP of survivors has been waiting too long, the game will just select a killer for them by completely ignoring the killer's MMR. Because it's more important that survivors find a game than that the game actually takes the time to match players with like skill levels.
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Ignore them and train. I know the frustration I have been there but until you understand her power you should not focus about kills at all.
They are so many things to understand as nurse, you really need a good map knowledge, it’s way harder than people think especially entitled survivors who wants her nerfed.
Nurse is like widow in overwatch, good potential but how many good widows / nurses ? Not many.
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Nurse checking in. I went through the same thing starting out. If you really want to be a good Nurse, stick with it. It gets better. Most of the guides out there cover the very basics and are a decent place to start.
Consistently getting to where you want to go with the blinks is the first step. It takes a while to build the muscle memory and it's different for everyone. Don't believe the trolls on here who said it took them 2 or 3 hrs. Nobody is a competent Nurse in that amount of time.
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MMR is not working buddy. I tested on my survivor games. I did not escape 30 games (even we finish generators). Solo survivor btw. And after 30 games, did i get baby killers? No, i had killers with full meta. My teammates were also weird, some of them had +1000 hours and some of them were baby.
No, MMR is not working.
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Oh boy that's also just plain stupid. I mean I get it waiting 15 min for a game sucks and is bad for the game but let's take me as an example I have roughly 230 hours in dbd most of them as a survivor just startet being a killer main about mid 2021 so I know I am by far not the best killer and I always wondered that I got survs with 3k plus in hours. All that does was me having a harder time learning to an extent I maybe play three games a week cause my gaming time isn't endless and I rather enjoy this time. So what did bhvr got from that even longer times for the survivors cause from. The forum I know I am not the only one that feels like this that's a spiral down to dbds death
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@Pulsar -That is interesting because I can test whether the MMR is on simply by playing Huntress. My Huntress couldn't hit a barn door. As soon as I load into a lobby, "Default Meg, Default Claudette, Default Dwight and another Default Meg". They win too!
I wonder if the MMR has parameters that prevent any killer's MMR straying too far from your top rated killer's MMR?
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I want to.
I'm just not seeing any progress and my only tangible feedback are my matches with have not been good.
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To me it kinda sounds like you just don't learn very well. If you keep trying the same things over and over and keep failing, try something new. There's no reasonable way to NOT learn at least something in 30 games unless you are literally just trying to brute force it l. You can start by learning what NOT to do and go from there. And it sounds like you've got 30 games worth of what not to do. So change it up.
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Devs : enjoy killer specific MMR to learn new killers
Also Devs : we make average MMR of all your killers in case you would actually try to learn new ones
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Okay, I'll just stop trying to hit blinks and walk around the map.
Not really a lot I can change up about trying to learn Nurse, 'fraid to say.
So far as I see it, I need to be able to accurately predict where my blinks are going, land my blinks, hit Survivors after landing a blink and repeat.
Not much of a way around that.
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That's an interesting idea.
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SHARED MMR.
This is the first issue I ever brought up about mmr. I was so excited when each killer was getting separate mmr, so disappointed when I found out they all share mmr one first playing/first day of mmr.
All killers should be set at X SBMM and you increase/decrease from there. Just because my blight is super high dont mean weaker killers I dont play should be near that level at all.
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That would be why I've only ever learned new Killers that have come out and have never attempted to learn old one's.
Billy, Hag, Nurse and Huntress were all on my do-not-touch list and I'm trying them out now, starting with Nurse.
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Yeah, that's exactly what you need to learn to do. And crying about not being able to do it won't help you learn how to. Record your games, watch your moves and mistakes, and learn from them by not repeating them. Like I said, you've got 30 games worth of "what NOT to do". Learn to not do what you did.
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So basically, all you're telling me is "git gud".
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That definitely makes it difficult. I didn't start to learn her until I was rank 1 under the old matchmaking system. Match times are a problem for learning Nurse. Only thing you can really do to mitigate it is load up on game delay perks.
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I am telling you to actual try to learn, my dude. Your attitude right now tells me you just want to be good without actually trying.
Use the brown addon that shows you where your blink will be and just play. Don't worry about winning or losing, focus on learning. That's it. Nothing else. The only reason losing is a problem is because you are taking it as a problem. You're brand new to something, stop expecting to be a master instantly, and understand that you're going to make mistakes and you need to learn from them.
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That would be the issue because I have Ruin...and that's it.
The Blood Web has not been kind to me.
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Hell dude go into a game and ignore everything except a tree. Pick a specific tree, and pretend it's a survivor, right? Then practice blinking to that tree from various points and angles to try to get a better understanding of charge distance and muscle memory. nurse takes a lot of practice. A LOT. There's a reason people say she's the highest skill cap killer.
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It's definitely not a process I'd want to go through again, but I promise you'll start to have these little "a-ha" moments and incrementally improve. There's a lot to learn with Nurse that other killers don't ever have to consider.
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Idk, I have never tbagged a new killer, and only click when I have a quest or archive to get chased. But let's be honest, I'm a killer main so I have a lot of understanding towards all killers no matter how they play.
That being said, when I meet a newer nurse, I usually even go out of my way to reassure the player, to keep it up, since she is hard!
Yesterday I played in soloQ against an artist on the storehouse. She got like 5 hooks and was upset in the endgame chat, that she was bad. I literally said you've got 5 hook states on a very hard map! Keep it up!
I literally think if all endgame chats would be smth like this, it would be so much more pleasant to play both sides.
Many of these "toxic actions" I consider just purely cringy. Like imagine tbagging a Legion on Gas Heaven, or a Pig in 85% of the maps. But oh well.. what do I know, right?
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Like if that rock is about to cuck my Blink or if it'll be a cool rock.
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I didn't have your experience when I first started nurse, but I LOADED UP on streaming gameplay. I watched several good nurses for hours, and then I went into a custom game and played point and click simulator for 3 hours. Doing both of those things was immensely helpful, and I found I was doing pretty well once I started playing real games. Survivors aren't going to give you learning opportunities until you're good enough to rip them out of their cold, blooded hands.
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If I really wanted to make it hell I could load up DBD on my last-gen Xbox instead of using my Series X...
That'd be fantastic I'm sure.
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I played her when she first came out when nobody had no idea how to play against her. I can’t imagine having to learn her with inflated mmr and sometimes some cracked survivors. She is hard af though, if you’ve played blight I feel like she’s a lot harder than he is so don’t get discouraged. She will pay off in the long run though.
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I feel for you, I really do. This probably doesn't help you but... I hate the devs decision to put your "worse" killer within 200 Mmr points of your best... It's just.... Uhh
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Exactly. Or knowing which direction you can blink through hills from and which side of the hill blocks you.
Tip: look up slightly and you improve your chances of the rock being a cool rock.
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I'm impressed you managed to endure that torture 30 times. I think I'd have been done after 10.
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I actually just killed two people for the first time.
Granted it was with Bloodwarden and NOED, but it counts? Maybe?
Also, I dislike basement in shack. I continue to visit it despite not wanting to.
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I've played this game for almost 4 years.
I kinda thought I'd be done after 1.
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For Nurse especially, you want your camera to be a bit higher than other killers. You'll start to do it naturally after a while. Most M1 killers look down to see scratch marks, so when they start Nurse they're aiming their blinks down on accident. Always slightly up on the blink release. Also remember that you can't generally blink out of basement through walls in line with a hill.
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Escaping, for instance, doesn't mean you're a good player. Dying doesn't mean you were unable to make a proper chase. MMR doesn't take into consideration the right metrics. I feel I'm matched with everyone around who's not in a match. Like, that Meg with twenty hours? Let's go, she'll be perfectly fine with that player who has almost two thousand hours.
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Part of the issue is yes the MMR is too high for starting killers and isn't custom to each killer like they said. On the other side, the MMR does end up pulling together survivors who have been waiting for a long time. I believe no matter how bad you play as a killer, you'll get those clicking teabag teams b/c they've been waiting for a lobby over 10 minutes & the game will start lowering MMR checks to match them up.
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Using Shadowborn helped me a lot with the motion sickness from the Nurse blinks and head shakes, I can't play her without it now. Also after maining Blight my Nurse games go so much smoother now and I can consistently 3-4k, but there are still the blink bugs that pop up fairly frequently for me. I'm also trying to remain hopeful that the Nurse rework fixes those problems.
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Just escapes would be normal, but when you get toxic survivors that just teabag, click with flashlights and just refuse to leave by gate, it's annoying af...
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It seems to me that he gets annoyed more by survivor's reactions, which I can relate. Just escapes are normal.
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isn't the mmr tied to your highest killer and can't stray far from it? Say i am 1900 on the twins and i try to play trickster. The lowest i can go is 1500 or something as long as the twins stay where they are.
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