Put A Limit On Flashlight Clicking!
I'm not even photosensitive, but after 4 matches in a row with trolly SWF 'flashlights + locker = Immunity' groups spamming flashlight macros in my face to taunt me; I have a blinding headache.
Either put a limit on how fast the flashlight can be clicked.
Or
Make it burn out if some people use an ultra-fast flashlight macro.
There's 0 functional reason to allow Survivors to spam 100 clicks a second, other than 'To make Killer players have a seizure'.
This is an easy fix, too; just put a delay between when a flashlight it turned off & when it can be turned back on Maybe 0.25 or 0.40 seconds.
Play around with it in-house and just plonk it out when your PTB changes go live. Save the Killer's from Survivor-macro-induced migrain BS.
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To rephrase:
I’ve never understood any reasoning behind removing flashlight clicking.
Post edited by Tr1nity on2 -
Wait. So you're saying 'No' it should not be limited?
And your reasoning is BECAUSE they're being toxic?
Either way; who cares? This could ######### with people with literal disabilities. It should be changed.
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Just make it so that once the flashlight is on, you can't turn it off for 3 seconds. No more clicking and provides a hard limit on how many times they can get flashlight stuns off.
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I agree, those macros are really, really annoying to listen to on headphones and the only reason they exist is to troll people in the first place. Just cap the click sound effect to only trigger at most once per second and no more irritatingly loud static in the headphones.
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Bruh what?
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Why not just remove the clicking sound effect?
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That won't stop the flashing light part.
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The clicking sound is annoying, but it's the rapidly-flashing light that can cause headaches and seizures.
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I don't think clicking needs to go, but the macro's definitely give me headaches and I'm sure they affect people with photosensitivity concerns a lot.
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I like this suggestion
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Which is why clicking needs to go. You can't fix the flashing without putting some sort of limit on it.
I'm just advocating enough of a pause to stymie macro-jerks without screwing over Survivors trying to save. Hence why my time suggestions were less than a second. :)
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One click? One second minimum drain. You clicked it 15 times? 15 seconds gone. Easy enough.
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no reason not to
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Your rephrasing really hasn't made it any clearer, dude.
Seriously, what part of "being able to click on and off as fast as refresh rate allows causing flashing lights is bad" is hard to understand? It's a pretty straightforward thing; just take out the outright hazardous behaviour by putting in a small cooldown. Nobody really suffers from a change like that.
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Literally the only reason to preserve this feature is to protect BMing. At best, it's a taunt and an annoyance. At worst, it's a serious health concern.
"We want players to be able to have a satisfying experience mocking the other player" doesn't stand up to epilepsy concerns, if it ever stood up at all.
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Easy fix:
Pressing the flashlight activation turns the flashlight on for a minimum of one second. This will cause no harm to its intended function of zombies, traps, birds, or blinds.... it only shuts down click spam.
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They could just remove the light effect from the killer's POV to take care of any photosensitivity concerns, couldn't they? Still let them blind as usual but it simply doesn't show any light effects otherwise.
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Seriosly, I don't get why some people in this thread are against the removal of clicky-clicky. The only reason I think of is they like to do that and this doesn't speak nothing good about them as players.
The flashlight is intended for blinding the killer, with the clicky-clicky removed that feature remains, so...
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I don't mind clicking to get my attention.
It's the epileptic flashing that I dislike and there's not really an argument to keep it.
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This macro is the reason I go after their team and if they overdo it I tunnel one of their teammates out one at a time. One of the only times I actually enjoy tunneling or a bit of camping. No, I will not put the clickerer on the hook, I will let their team die and ignore them.
I would add that it is also to remove Hag traps, Artist crows or to look at the ground on dark maps to evade dark Trapper traps. Sure you do not do that often but it happens. So the minimum duration should be around 1 second I guess at this is how long you need to remove a Trap/Crow, right?
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Two seconds would be nice.
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No, I like to click. I do not want that removed as well just because some clowns use macros.
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Agreed. Flashlight clicking (especially the macros) give me severe headaches. It needs to go.
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It's annoying but I don't think they will do anything about it. It doesn't make sense to a new player why your limited to a certain amount of clicks.
Now if I had to make any changes to flashlights I'd make it so clicking a flashlight uses more charges and holding the flashlight beam uses slightly less. I believe Billy has a similar system with his chainsaw.
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I don't think new players would be baffled by having a limit on how fast you can click flashlights. It's a cooldown, actions in games often have those. Nobody would question it, no more clicky clicky flashy flashy.
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I'm just thinking back to the logic that McClean used in his talk about ScottJunds 7.0.0 patch. Specifically in regards to Kindred.
Personally making flashlight charges work like Billy's chainsaw is a better idea imo. You use a lot more charges by clicking a flashlight, than actually using it.
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Doesn't necessarily fix the problem, though. We don't want a situation where we're just saying "if you click your flashlight, it's going to burn out, but feel free to do it", we want to prevent something that can be outright harmful and is only good for BM. There's no soft fix to it, because jerks are going to be jerks even if you make it inconvenient on 'em.
So, either you have to change the flashlight visuals entirely, or just slap a cooldown on the thing.
This is like the easiest problem in the game to solve.
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A cooldown isn't a good idea because sometimes you blind too quick at an attempt so you need to cancel and quickly go again.
Either way fixing this issue isn't a priority compared to everything else in the game. Is it annoying? Yes but I'd rather they focus their time on other things.
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Hear me out. A possible fix for this problem is treating flashlights like most other skills or items in the game, and that’s with a progress meter to activate it. Almost everything else has a wind up time or delay, so it’s consistent with the current game design. This solution does a few things.
- Solves the issue of spamming flashlights, obviously.
- Makes flashlights skill-based items.
- Continues to provide it’s intended purpose of stunning the killer, which should be a skill-based thing to begin with.
There are some issues at hand, though. What amount of time is a reasonable ramp up? Several seconds is too long and that’s asking too much of your average player. Should the flashlight have to remain on for a specific period of time before being shut off? How many stuns or stun attempts should be available in the first place during a single match with full add-ons? I feel like there’s a lot more to unpack here than simply “fix it.” But, if devs do happen to see this post then maybe they’ll realize there’s a potential issue here and it should be addressed with some transparency.
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I don't care what you like. With a macro, players could give other players seizures. That's a literal health hazard.
Then read my post again? The reasoning behind removing it is because, if it can give non-photosensitive players headaches; it could possibly cause seizures in sensitive players.
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If flashlights get a tiny nerf to their usability and people with photosensitivty stop getting headaches, that seems like a really good trade.
It seems kind of weird to say other people should either stop playing or put up with health risks just because it would be mildly inconvenient to one item's usage.
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I see your point.
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Not to mention that you don't even have to remove the clicking that everyone loves so much to fix this. You just have to cap it so that it can't go at macro speeds.
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Just simply add a minium cost for each click like 0.25 or 0.5 cost per click, BMer can still BM but for a must shorter time, and those who try to use them properly can still use it as usual since you won't click it 25 times in a second just to save someone.
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HOW about, STOP using a serious health issue as an excuse for trying to justify nerfing flash lights? If anyone is THAT photosensitive, then perhaps playing a game that has flashlights, and exploding gens, among other flashing effects, is not a wise move to begin with. If its that serious of an issue, then display a disclaimer warning about epilepsy being potentially triggered at the start of the game being loaded, and call it a day, (like many other games do). As a killer main, I'm utterly bored with how EASY it is to kill survivors, (even if they have flashlights), and disgusted by how nerfed survivors get with every update. If flashlights were that problematic then more killers would be using Lightborn, except we don't need to when we have Franklin's Demise. I feel more handheld playing killer in this game than I did playing Pokemon Sun/Moon. I don't even need Iron Grasp or Agitation because now us killers can SEE HOOK AURAS FOR FREE and hooks are literally every 15 feet away! Get over yourselves and get good at playing killer. Sorry, not sorry.
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Adding a cooldown of something small like 250ms between clicks so a macro can't click the flashlight 1000 times within a single second is not a big deal. The change will ultimately have 0 effect on intended flashlight use.
The fact that a health focus change upsets so says a lot.
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The fact that so many killer players have become so entitled and unskilled that they would stoop to this level of gaslighting just to get flashlights nerfed when its really about the "clicking bm" is sad. Try taking some accountability. Considering the probability of a PC player being able to macro something like this to the point of negatively affecting a killer player that happens to have this level of severity with photosensitivity is slim to none, not to mention there is an epilepsy alert at the start of the game. The fact that not a single survivor main has made this complaint says it all. Many survivor players that aren't SWF use the clicking to get each other's attention. "Adding a small delay" like you say won't make a difference in the clicking sounds "annoying people that much" nor the lights effect on people with this degree of photosensitivity. P.S. use the colorblind mode and filters if its that big an issue to you. Let's stop gaslighting. It's not cute.
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You really don't need to worry about not being able to click a flashlight again for a quarter of a second. But hey, I guess anything to justify your flashlight macro.
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Sure you are a killer main. The fact the change being asked is to remove the ability for survivors to macro flashlight clicking to an extreme degree. There's no legit reason you survivors need to click your flashlights 1000+ times in a second.
Plus you bringing up how "easy" killer is has no bearing on removing a functional useless feature that serves no purpose then to be annoying.
Post edited by Rizzo on2 -
There's literally no reason to remove a feature simply because a small handful of crybabies find it to be annoying. You have 0 valid points here. The fact that being a killer player is super easy in this game IS valid, because all of the "fix suggestions" pertain to needlessly nerfing something that doesn't need nerfing when there are a plethora of ways to go about the issue as already stated, via gameplay, via display options, and simply by being responsible for your own health. Some of you simply need to play survivor more to understand the game better and improve as a killer instead of crying the moment you get outplayed.
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How to say you are flashlight macro player without saying you are a flashlight macro player.
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The fact that you think this is about nerfing flashlights, and you'd rather that not happen, even if it's dangerous to player's health, shows how horrible of a person you are.
This is not an attempted nerf in disguise. This us about the fact that they can be clicked so fat; they give me a headache. And I'm not photosensitive. So imagine what they can do to someone who is.
So take your 'Reeee! Don't nerf my flashlights!' and walk, because what you what means less than nothing in the face of people's health.
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Perhaps it would be more believable that this isn't about nerfing flashlights if the majority of your profiles didn't show the same consistent pattern in your prior comments on other threads - which is crying about survivors' ability to outplay you translating to ya'll as survivors needing to be nerfed effective immediately. Say what you want, but track records don't lie, which is probably why YOU'RE the only profile at the time of this post that's been set to private so people can't track your prior comments. Some of you even admit to playing killers exclusively. These past two weeks I've been no lifing the game while I recover from Covid and not a single time have I ever had the experience of survivors rapid clicking the flashlight the way you claim.
P.S. Photosensitivity (which I have) has nothing to do with the sound of clicking so miss me on the "oh my god someone potentially blinding me and BMing me with flashlight clicks is bad for my health" nonsense. Clearly you haven't tried any of the suggested solutions previously mentioned, because you rather have an entire game be altered instead. My other comments on this thread already address you and your posts/concerns, perhaps too directly for your liking. I said what I said, and I'm not sorry.
Post edited by Rizzo on1 -
- It's about flashlight list-spam. As it is turne don; it makes a click noise. Hence 'flashlight clicking'. But it's clear I meant the LIGHT.
- It's clear that spamming a flashlight 100 times a second has 0 impact on winning or losing, so you're wrong in assuming it's because I lost.
- Congrats on boiling it down to 'You're a killer main' and missing the point of my post.
- I set my profile as private after another Survivor main tried to 'mic drop' me claiming to trawl my posts, then said he lied to 'trigger me'.
So, do you have any actual points for or against flashlight-clicking with a macro? Because that's what this thread is about, regardless of what you assume the thread is about.
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