Reset Hook Stage timer back to 30 seconds each

This would simply reward high mobility killers and encourage more camping since Billy/Spirit/Nurse could camp even harder knowing they can get killers quicker.

It'll also encourage more hook diving thus rewarding said hook campers while also feeding the narrative it's survivors fault for hook rushing. You run into a experienced killer that down's someone within the 1st 15-30 seconds.

Ok they sit there for a minute in which case 1-3 gens might pop, they go after someone bam and there's another person gone perhaps 1-2 more gens done. Ok the 3rd person is toast at that point since they know they're getting hard camped or they get hooked and the 4th gets hunted.

Now even if it's not an experienced killer you'll have people who give up once they get to stage II, you've got people's hands that slip get tired. That camping killer saves 15 seconds and they get to auto sacrifice that person the next time if they get unhooked.

Once you add secondary objectives in this just becomes why don't you go stand in front of a hook for my 4k now and save us all the time.

@DocOctober said:

Is every Killer high-mobility? No. Not an argument.

Yes it is, you're ignoring the high mobility killers because it negates your argument.

Isn't hook-diving what Survivors do regardless of anything else? Yes, it is. Not an argument.

No and you know for a fact not every survivor or group does it. So no and it is an argument and you know it.

Is every Killer lucky (experienced is the wrong word to use here as experience means jack-######### with loopers) and downs the first Survivor in 15-30 seconds? No. Not an argument.

No but they do exist so yes it's an argument since you're using best case scenarios for your argument but denying others the same.

That is one particular scenario that is not representative of all games that are played. Because one scenario is bad all the others should be disregarded? Sorry, not how it works. Not an argument.

So your scenario should be the only one used because it favors your argument, isn't that the very definition of the word hypocritical? since the answer to that is yes that is how it works so yes it's an argument, you just don't like it's outcome.

Same goes for people who give up in stage II or slip from the spacebar and quite honestly, that's the worst argument you made so far. I could argue that having the hook stage take 45 seconds actually gives a Survivor 15 seconds more of a chance to slip.

So because something happens it should be negated because it doesn't fit your biased arguments narrative and instead rely on yours? What those 15 extra seconds could make the difference between an unhook or another gen being popped etc.

That should be fixed immediately /s

Wrong, just because you want it to be able to secure more kills doesn't mean it's either going to happen or is actually logical either.

Do we have mandatory secondary objectives? No, we don't. Not an argument.

Oh yes the fallacy finally rears it's ugly head, we don't ahve x so we should do something illogical because i want my 4 kills easier and quicker.

Since we know they're planning on secondary objectives and have tested them out during the Pustula event and it worked to an extent. We should completely ignore that coming down the pipeline because you want to be illogical and get something you don't deserve or need.

Oh and imagine that it's still an argument whether you like it or not, just because it refutes in any way what you say doesn't make it not an argument.

Come up with some better stuff.

Now how long did you think about that one since that's pretty weak as far as trolling goes you might've well just said I surrender or posted a white flag instead of using that.

Now if you actually thought about this logically you'd realize you're not asking for this for any reasonable reason but instead for your own personal bias of getting an easier game.

If you thought of this logically you'd realize you're not asking for this for balance reasons but because you want easier and quicker games.

If you thought of this logically and reasonably you'd realize all the shortcomings it has and how abused it'd become.

Bottom line it won't work for all the reasons you've been given, you just refuse to accept those reasons because you only want what's best for your own selfish gain, not what's best overall.

Oh no, the Killer is standing somewhere, menacingly, quick punish him for not rushing to face the backleft corner of the basement for the remainder of the sacrifice.

It actually makes sense. Less sacrifice time means less time for rescues, thus meaning survivors have to get up instead leisurely working on generators.If the Killer camps that, hooray he still wastes enough time for 3 generators to be done instead of 4. I think its good to stress survivors into decisions with the trends currently changing this game...

@DocOctober
Funny how these obviously survivor biased trolls are trying to call you out on something.

@Raptorrotas said:
Oh no, the Killer is standing somewhere, menacingly, quick punish him for not rushing to face the backleft corner of the basement for the remainder of the sacrifice.

It actually makes sense. Less sacrifice time means less time for rescues, thus meaning survivors have to get up instead leisurely working on generators.If the Killer camps that, hooray he still wastes enough time for 3 generators to be done instead of 4. I think its good to stress survivors into decisions with the trends currently changing this game...

@DocOctober
Funny how these obviously survivor biased trolls are trying to call you out on something.

Oh no the killer can save 15 seconds of camping and get rewarded for doing it by making survivors rush the hook even more now.

Yes it makes sense less sacrifice time emans the killer can't be punished by gen rushing him and 3 gens can't be finished unless they're hitting skill checks. You do know that math says that it takes 80 seconds to finish a gen without hitting skill checks.

With your heavily killer biased idea it takes 60 seconds to die and that means 3 gens aren't getting popped before that person dies. Now throw in perhaps people start running for the hook to save and realize hey they're camping. Well whoops now those 3 gens aren't getting done and guess what the killer can now get another person sacrificed as well.

You know what's funny is that you've already shown you've got no argument when you have to resort to the tried and failed survivor main insult. Because the moment you resort to that pile of nonsense when someone disagrees with you you've already thrown up the white flag.

Oh and I've been a killer main the last several months so I guess that insult just fell as flat as your argument did.

@DocOctober said:

@HURRI_KAIN said:
Weren't they supposed to include in a patch that killer BP would serverely be reduced if they were within a certain distance of a hooked survivor if they weren't in a chase? If this hasn't come through yet in a patch they need to hurry this one up to reduce camping.

No, they weren't and it wouldn't be a solution. Bloodpoints are low on the list of reasons a Killer might camp for.

Clearly you misunderstand, I'm not saying killers camp to get BP, but decreasing the killer's BP earnings would incentivize them to stop detrimental behavior such as camping.

@DocOctober I respect your dedication toi wanting to help killers and we can all agree except the biased survivors that want killers nerfed that killers need help.

But where you're making a mistake is how you're going about it since this will only incentivize camping more now especially on smaller maps. Because if you do it twice you've saved yourself 30 in total if not more now versus if you camp and got gen rushed.

Now gen rushing will become even more of a thing, you'll see even more dcs most likely because the person on the hook will figure out pretty quickly they're not getting saved. They're also not going to live long enough to get any gen completion points either.

If you suggested this back before pre BNP nerf or before pre pallet nerf/exhaustion etc nefs then it'd probably have been more balanced. But with all the nerfs to survivor stuff and buffs to killers it's just an imbalanced way to address things.

I've made quite a few buff suggestions for killers both perk and non perk related but most wouldn't work due to flaws either coding, impracticality, would create more problems than it solved etc. Your problem is you're only seeing the positives for killers in the short term not what this would do overall.

@MojoTheFabulous said:

@DocOctober said:

@MojoTheFabulous said:

@Raptorrotas said:
Oh no, the Killer is standing somewhere, menacingly, quick punish him for not rushing to face the backleft corner of the basement for the remainder of the sacrifice.

It actually makes sense. Less sacrifice time means less time for rescues, thus meaning survivors have to get up instead leisurely working on generators.If the Killer camps that, hooray he still wastes enough time for 3 generators to be done instead of 4. I think its good to stress survivors into decisions with the trends currently changing this game...

@DocOctober
Funny how these obviously survivor biased trolls are trying to call you out on something.

It'll just make camping more frequent because it'd be far more beneficial to do so. Camping has always been around and has always been a very common thing. Making it better isn't going to somehow make people do it less.

Camping became more frequent when the 45 second timers were implemented. Learn your DbD history.

Never felt diFFerent to me and regardless, making this change would give camping more power so it would in no way reduce the frequency.

For me camping became far worse since the Spirit release. Dont know why but its something I noticed very clearly. Cant think of anything in that patch that promotes camping so much other than Spirit players using their ability to leave the hook and then instantly back.