Unfun killer tactics are way too effective for little effort

Ignorance can be a blessing, but on this one you are missing out.

So... normally I don't agree with like... anything Sluzzy says. However, this one has some points I can't just say are wrong.

Tunnelling and Camping are too strong for both how difficult they are to execute and how fun they are to experience (for both killer and survivor).

There's a caveat to this though. That being that this post ignores what Tunnelling and Camping actually are. They're desperation plays. They usually come out to play when the Killer has gotten angry, jaded, or desperate enough that they're willing to sacrifice their own fun and that of the Survivors in the interest of not losing.

So while yes, buffing Survivor's abilities to withstand Tunneling and Camping is a good idea, buffing other mechanics for Killers to further encourage them to not Tunnel and Camp is also necessary.

Also I do have to admit that the Hatch changes were garbage. Hatch without keys in play was just fine and shouldn't have gotten changed. Keys needed a nerf/rework... not hatch.

Spread on gens, each one at one gen, then escape, in a scenario were the survivor is camped to death, simple as that; if the killer has no way out, go immerse and he wont find you, best case scenario for him is for the survivor to be a potato that doesnt loop to be the second kill, but in general camping is very weak, only works against bad survivors. Other tip: Only do gen with someone if the person or you have prove thyself, otherwise spread, is not that hard to just do gens and leave against a killer camping.

Now, the counterplay for the killer against very good survivors is way harder, ths strats of the killers are pretty easy to deal with, most of them if not all the strategies of killers can be dealt with without stress, people exagerate a lot when they complain about camping and tunneling

If he pretends to go in another place, the person gets rescued with bt and now the hooked person is running away with ds, while the other two are still doing gens; either way, what you are saying describes perfectly a situation where the killer camps against scared and mediocre survivors, not against survs who are good at looping and that know to do gens and not get scared of the killer. With the soloq change, the excuse to not doing gens while the killer camps will get old fast (even though is already easy to go against killers that camp).

I did not asked for that, i dont understand what you are saying; i am talking about killers in general, any strat of killers, from camping, slugging, tunneling, 3 gen situation, hit and run, every strat of the killer is counterable, thats what i said, so there are no excuses for survivors to perform poorly. (With the exception of a master nurse main)

No, camping and tunneling is already weak: regarding tunneling and camping, against good survivors with ds is very punishing, only works against awful survivors and the game should not be balanced towards bad survivors. The state of the game for survivors is not bad, depends only if the survivor knows how to loop, how to do a gen and to rescue when the killer is not nearby (or trading with bt); overall most people just complain about stuff from the game that is pretty easy to deal with, is absurd and funny at the same time; thats why killers get endless nerfs, but since i play mostly survivor i will not be that affected by nerfs unlike killer mains.

Ah yes, I've head about that.

I'm still curious to know more about their opinions aside from "killer op". I want to find the man/woman behind the Sluzzy.

It was a good post. A lot of people actually agreed with him.

I mean, he is not wrong. BT and DS are easy to play around, most people just deal with DS wrong and lose their free kills for it. The trick is to eat it a$ap and now they have literally nothing to defend themselves against during end game. I cannot believe the amount of high level killers who believe it is viable to wait out a minute only to have it in play for end game. Insane.

And yeah, as you stated, when they don't run DS, they are screwing themselves and their team ridiculously hard. BT is kind of a grey area. I respect it unless they give away they don't have it.

I love a good troll.

Well if you want decisive strike to be like in the old days and be able to DS every time a killer picks you up, then sure. The only buff I can think of that wouldn't make it stupid op Is you get DS back if you complete a gen. Still good survivors can flash save and pallet stun u to drop survivors. Just because someone killed you doesn't mean there need to be an instant to the killers. I play mostky killer (cuz no friends). Sure it gets annoying as survivor to get tunneled but it is how it is. DS Is supposed to give you atleast a little bit of Fighting chance against tunnelers and not give you a 10 second head start with no way to track you down. If you are good enough, you won't get caught and there wouldn't be this 20 line rant in the first place. You can always quit the game.

Wow, this is pretty decent.

First of all there should be a balanced 50/50 chance of outcome for any match that is played. However that should not come from "camping" as a "valid tactic" but rather be a base design around the more fun parts of the game: Chasing, hit-and-run, cool use of powers and so on.

The problem is that camping and tunneling is a low risk, high reward option. Same as when survivors pre-drop and hold shift+w. These options are boring because you rarely see their risk and thus write them down as unfair and yes, they are not good. Neither "shift+w" nor camping the first person to death adds to the game.

I also agree that the Entity feeds on despair and no longer wants to play with the hopeless. She is a malicious things and wants to torture the survivors. As such I never had a problem with "second chance" perks for survivors. I only have a problem when they abuse a "second chance perk" for something else (body-blocking with BT, often while complaining about tunneling when they then get slugged for this).

Decisive Strike was not overnerfed per se. The problem back than was that the game was unable to detect when a survivor was no longer tunneled and survivor were still able to use this perk for offensive purposes (abusing second chance perks, remember) like unhooking or finishing a generator in the Killers face. The question here is: How is it tunneling when you can run to an unhook?

I am fine with your idea for Decisive Strike. Let the Killer hit a fatigue like Legion or Nurse when you blow them with that shard of glass, I am also fine with no scratches, however keep the blood. There should be a difference between DS and Lucky Break. I would even go so fare to remove the time limit if we keep the limitation (no unhooking) and add another mechanic: Once another survivor is hooked your DS deactivates like when the time ran out.

For pure camping we need a different option and a more dual aproache: Punish Killers who camp while at the same time reward Killers who go hunting with somebody on the hook. This is the reason I like "BBQ & Chilly" as well a "Hex: Devour Hope" as both encourage this. Just slowing the hook timer would not do this justice as the person on the hook is still getting the short end of the stick.

Also you are right: The game can not be balanced around 4 people playing SWF on discord. There are too many greys like 2-1-1, 3-1, 2-2 lobbies. Most time I encounter 2-1-1, 3-1 lobbies and thus balancing around the rare 4 stack is just...unwise.