Some busted killer addons need to be removed

DwightsLifeMatters said:

nøbødy said:

Salty surv main....

Go home salty killer main

I have to agree, that these AddOns might not on the best spot right now. But I wouldn't completely remove them. Prayers jus tmight be a better fit as an UR than an VR compared to father's glasses and Nurse should only have one additional blink AddOn as a UR as well. But Nurse is complicated. Her AddOns need a complete overhaul in the first place. Worth of it's own discussion.

@Ryuhi said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

• additional blinks addons of nurse
  Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.

• Prayers beats addon of spirit 
  Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.

Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is. Granted guessing wrong is still usually a free hit, but still. I mean you can always just gen tap until you know who the killer is just to be safe...

You don't have to guess that much, because you will realize it, when you bump into that survivor, which gives away their position.

@Ryuhi said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

• additional blinks addons of nurse
  Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.

• Prayers beats addon of spirit 
  Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.

Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is.

Survivors have collision, you know exactly on which position they are sitting. It isn't skill.

I agree with OP on that, Prayer Beads in its current state is not o.k. The only "counter" would be to gen tap and that's of course out of the question. Make the Walk more quiet but not completely silent.

@George_Soros said:
NoShinyPony said:

@Ryuhi said:

 @DwightsLifeMatters said:

  

* additional blinks addons of nurse

Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.

• Prayers beats addon of spirit 

  Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.

  Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is.

  Survivors have collision, you know exactly on which position they are sitting. It isn't skill.

  I agree with OP on that, Prayer Beads in its current state is not o.k. The only "counter" would be to gen tap and that's of course out of the question. Make the Walk more quiet but not completely silent.

  I LOVE Prayer Beads Bracelet, so it pains me to say it, but I agree. It's just too strong. I don't think though it should be changed in a way that makes Spirit Walk quieter, but not completely silent, as you suggest. Rather, I think it should come with some downside, as many strong addons do.

It's not a strong add-on, it's a too strong add-on. Sorry, but since it doesn't have a counter, you can't simply add a negative effect. In order for it to be a strong, but balanced add-on, the total silence has to go.

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

• additional blinks addons of nurse
  Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.

• Prayers beats addon of spirit 
  Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.

There are people being bad at playing nurse.
Nurse needs a rework, not a buff or a nerf.
She needs to stay top tier, but easier to play, while there has to be limits for her.

Spirit is fine, git gud.

@George_Soros said:

@NoShinyPony said:

the total silence has to go.

No. It's fun for both killer and survivors. Just needs balancing.

There actually are counters to it by the way. The moment you realize she's using the Bracelet, you can adjust. Look around before jumping on a gen or totem, wait until someone's injured or hooked, and then start repairing. Some perks can also be helpful: Premonition, Spine Chill, Empathy, Alert, OoO, maybe some others too.

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@George_Soros said:

@NoShinyPony said:

the total silence has to go.

No. It's fun for both killer and survivors. Just needs balancing.

Well, I wouldn't consider a free grab/hook fun.

@George_Soros said:
There actually are counters to it by the way. The moment you realize she's using the Bracelet, you can adjust. Look around before jumping on a gen or totem

There are so many places on maps where that isn't possible

@George_Soros said:
wait until someone's injured or hooked, and then start repairing

That is such a big waste of time that giving the killer a free grab/hook would be better.

@George_Soros said:
Some perks can also be helpful: Premonition, Spine Chill, Empathy, Alert, OoO, maybe some others too.

These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?

for the record I absolutely hated the update to the beads until I tried the spirit out, now it feels like the same area as something like mint rag on the hag: really good, but not busted. You'd have more validity complaining about things like being able to pair iridescent heads and the highest tier belt on the huntress.

@PigNRun said:

@NoShinyPony said:
These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?

Oh my, the irony. Right?

Well, it goes both ways, of course. A killer should not have to bring certain perks to make up for other certain unbalanced things in the game... but this is a thread about specific add-ons and I don't want to derail.

@Ryuhi said:

@NoShinyPony said:

@George_Soros said:

@NoShinyPony said:

the total silence has to go.

No. It's fun for both killer and survivors. Just needs balancing.

Well, I wouldn't consider a free grab/hook fun.

@George_Soros said:
There actually are counters to it by the way. The moment you realize she's using the Bracelet, you can adjust. Look around before jumping on a gen or totem

There are so many places on maps where that isn't possible

@George_Soros said:
wait until someone's injured or hooked, and then start repairing

That is such a big waste of time that giving the killer a free grab/hook would be better.

@George_Soros said:
Some perks can also be helpful: Premonition, Spine Chill, Empathy, Alert, OoO, maybe some others too.

These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?

Run empathy, for the love of all things holy. Not even just vs spirit, it will improve your map awareness a thousand fold the second that someone gets tagged. You will know where the killer's vicinity is, you will know which way they are likely going by seeing where the injured survivor goes (and consequently, as they do things like throw down pallets, you will have confirmation,) and you can play m1 simulator to your heart's content. As a bonus you can even rotate around the map to be as far away from the chase as possible if you're too much of a coward to stay in one place.

I used to play with Empathy a lot, now I don't anymore. I don't know where you got the idea that I would like to play gen simulator far away from trouble. You couldn't be more wrong.

@NoShinyPony said:

@Ryuhi said:
for the record I absolutely hated the update to the beads until I tried the spirit out, now it feels like the same area as something like mint rag on the hag: really good, but not busted. You'd have more validity complaining about things like being able to pair iridescent heads and the highest tier belt on the huntress.

The huntress still needs to throw correctly. That is different to a free grab.

so... the spirit can just phase and m1 randomly on the map and get a free grab on a survivor? I'm not following your logic. She needs to place herself beyond the range of her TR to the gen to not alert the survivors, get up to the gen without running straight in LoS at any point that grass can be disturbed, not look directly at the gen the whole time in case of Premonition or Spine Chill, and bump into survivors who are stay mindlessly on the gen... all within the timer of the phase walk itself. TBH that honestly sounds a lot more difficult than just following survivors until they have to throw a pallet down and just throwing the hatchet over the pallet as it drops.

@NoShinyPony said:

@Theluckyboi said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

• additional blinks addons of nurse
  Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.

• Prayers beats addon of spirit 
  Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.

Yeah then remove insta heal add-ons and we are fine

One unbalanced thing doesn't justify the existence of another unbalanced thing in the game. Every unbalanced item/add-on/etc. should be reworked.

The total silence buffs the Spirit, you can hear her coming when out of her TR and everyone on a Gen knows she's coming and can grab you if she's coming to you. She might not but why risk it and look like an idiot? The beads is one of those rare add-ons that helps killers reach their full potential but isn't overpowered. It's very rare so not used often. But like many here, I also would sacrifice it to be an Ultra Rare so we can get a Very Rare Father's Glasses, because that just makes sense since Beads allow Gen grabs which are awesome and Glasses allow you to see blood which make up for crap tracking.

@AlphaJackson said:
"Extra blinks = no escape" do survivors not realise that nurse is the single hardest killer to play? I'm more a survivor player than a killer, and I know that when I face a nurse, it's either an ez game or an actual struggle. There's no problem with nurse in my opinion, because she is so difficult to play. Infact, when I come across a good nurse main, regardless of addon I respect that player. Having multiple blinks only goes so far to improve nurse gameplay.

Its not a matter of how hard she is to play, more that there is a certain point where her skill makes your skill irrelevant. This point is much less present with 2 blinks (and even 3,) but the more blinks you add, the more inconsequential juke attempts get vs a good nurse. Better survivors just accept the loss and move on, but bad and even moderate survivors tend to feel robbed by it that game. I used to hate nurse games but I'm starting to like them more as I'm getting better at juking 2-3 blink nurses using obstacles and LoS, but its crazy how much it can just not matter vs a good nurse with more blinks. just gotta take the whuppin and hope you bought enough time your your team to do stuff, then either try to survive or die and move on...

Prayer Beads imo is not that big of a deal. I faced it some times but if you have some awareness you can guess when she is coming for you.
Multi blinks should go though. They are busted and counter the only counter to a Nurse in a chase (mindgames).