It's inevitable Dead Hard is going to get nerfed.

Oh so survivors. You literally described what survivors do just reversed the roles. So, yeah sounds like it's possible that survivor perks could get nerfed then. Thanks for the clarification.

DH and Sprint Burst are both pretty busted.

DH lets you fix a mistake, especially if you get mind gamed, and not get hit. It lets you play greedy and be rewarded for doing so. People might not realize it but doing that can let you drop a pallet that's safe, which lets you get to another pallet, and another loop, and it can extend a chase you should've lost by a TON of time against a good survivor. That is not balanced or healthy.

Sprint Burst allows you to sit on a generator in the killers face until the very last second without ANY fear, because you can simply SB to the nearest pallet you're going to loop. You don't have to care about BBQ. Don't have to care if you hear the killer TR. No care of positioning or anything. Just a free escape to the safest area near you. The downside is walking but you don't have to walk if you run for a save because you're safe, you don't have to walk and hold it at the start because EVERY pallet is up.

Four people can do this MULTIPLE times per match. At least Lithe/Balanced actually require a set of events for activation. You have some of the worst perks killers can use and never do have massive CDs, but busted Exhaustion perks have such tiny cooldowns that even rest after a hook, that it's just disgusting. It's why I find people who complain about camping hilarious. Unhook. BT. DS. Still chased? DH.

Dead hard is very easy to counter. All you have to do is: wait. It’s not that hard to figure out. So what??!! if they make the loop & throw the pallet? They only bought themselves a little more time. Dead hard is perfectly fine just the way it is. There’s no need nerf it. If it does happen, I hate to say it: the devs favor one group of players over the other (killer sided [hide] ) & that won’t be good for anybody. :/

Amen.

Not to nitpick, but isn't saying that kind of supporting the point? I mean, when someone is saying "you're using X perk because are aren't skilled" and you say "that doesn't make sense because using perks takes no skill" is at best helping their argument, and at worst absolute nonsense.

That's exactly the point trying to be made; pressing E takes no skill, and you use it to bail yourself out of a situation you are in because of your lack of skill. Takeaway being that a skilled survivor doesn't need DH.

I mean, that's the entire point, and the entire basis of designating some perks as "crutch".

Or is it just really late and I am reading that wrong?

"That's exactly the point trying to be made; pressing E takes no skill, and you use it to bail yourself out of a situation you are in because of your lack of skill. Takeaway being that a skilled survivor doesn't need DH."

You get that wrong. Survivors dont get saved by DH when they did an extra Loop, they do an extra Loop BECAUSE they have Dead Hard.

You may argue if it takes skill to use Dead Hard in the correct way, because there are Survivors who just use Dead Hard in a Deadzone, which increases their Chase Time by 1 second and gives the Killer the information that they have DH.

But overall, no Perk in DBD requires Skill. They are just "slap them on and use them". For both sides.

The outcome what the player does with those Perks is a different topic. See my DH-example above. Another example would be Infectious Fright for Killers. Using Infectious Fright requires 0 Skill. Deciding whether it is worth going for the Survivor or not however takes some experience and knowledge.

What? Of course the surv gets the extra loop because of DH, that's the whole point. That's what I was saying. It's an extra loop you got when you should have been down. All perks make the player's life easier to varying degrees, not many flat out save your ass when you screwed up like DH. It does not have the reputation it does for no reason.

And again with the false equivalency with the Infectious Fright. Of course it takes no skill, but it doesn't have the immediate impact that DH does. It's a common opinion among many that DH is probably the strongest perk in the game for a reason, and there is definitely a hierarchy here. With some perks being much stronger than others (and some OP).

If that wasn't the case, people would just add perks at random.

Saying "no perks take skill to use, so all perk usage is equal in terms of reflecting player skill" is absurd.

You still dont get it.

If I have Dead Hard, I can make another Loop, because I can get away with it. I know that I can do that, so I am doing it.

If I dont have Dead Hard, I cannot make another Loop. But this does not mean that I try to do it, I drop the Pallet.

In both scenarios, I dont go down. And in both scenarios I did not screw up.

You are just repeating what I already called wrong before. This does not make it more right.

And I just compared it to Infectious Fright, because the outcome (aka a better player will be better use of the Perk) is roughly the same. You can say the same about Ruin. It takes 0 Skill to use Ruin. However, the better Killer player will actually get some use out of it, the Killer player who ignores players on Gens will not get use out of it.

This also does not have anything to do with impact. Impact is a thing you bring into the discussion, but it does not matter for that specific case.

No Perk in DBD requires Skill. But players who are more skilled can get more use out of those Perks.

Saying that DH requires no Skill is just the opinion of frustrated Killers who want to call Survivors bad, even if they were not bad, because they make the choice to get another Loop, because they knew they would get away with it.

You know that you are answering to a comment which is 1 year old? The change which was mentioned was to make it actually work with Dedicated Servers.

What “huge buffs” have come to just survivors? I guess you completely forgot about the DMS buff that pretty much made it ridiculously strong with Pain R and also the perk by itself starting to be a problem on Artist. What about the addition of Deadlock that hasn’t been nerfed yet and is incredibly strong? Are you just going to disregard all that because you want to make the assumption the devs are survivor sided?

Was DH through bear traps still a thing a year ago? I was hoping they'd fix it before 2023, but maybe I should lower my expectations.

To talk about the inevitable nerf of DH, while reflecting on the situation from about a year ago contra today.

So we are saying that just because the killer is slightly faster than survivors they should be able to down survivors ? Are you aware that there are windows and pallets and line of sight blockers right ? Or are you just trying to act stupid ? Scratch marks are there for tracking, one still needs to use their skill to down survivors.

The reason for the surge of complaints is because of validation, Killers don't like validation. They like being able to get laggy hits based on what they see. The killers have a tremendous advantage over survivors every single match in the form of latency. Survivors have to account for their own latency plus that of the killers with no way to see that information. So now that DH validates the hit, it's a big problem for killers that are accustomed to their hits always connecting.

It's not 100% of the time, it's the server being the authority and making the decision. Other than DH and pallets, everything is still handled on the killers end. This provides an incredible advantage over survivors. So as things begin to shift to server authority, people who are accustomed to getting laggy hits will complain that it's not fair. They need to wean these people off of everything being managed on the killers end.

You don't know what you're talking about, it's not 100% of the time. What you're seeing is latency and the server rejecting the hit. There are many discussions about this, not going to rehash this. Just look it up if you're interested in learning about it.