Too many smurfs

I have 700+ hours on survivor and only dabble on killer.

Something more should be done to punish people deranking and smurfing to pick on newbies, I agree. Like a 10/20/40 minute wait if they dc, etc.

@jackmadrox said:
What's "Smurf"?

Someone who plays at a rank they're not supposed to be (often by buying the game again/making a new account). So, you would get people who have been playing for a long time going to newbie ranks and picking on the people who don't know exactly what they're doing.

@Ryuhi said:
how the hell do you smurf in a game where literally all rank means is that you play a lot? it doesnt earn anything, and it barely even affects matchmaking due to how pisspoor easy it is to rank up if you just play a lot.

I mean why do they even smurf right? If rank 1 and rank 15 are the same as you say, but they still do it, and ruin a lot of games for other people in the process of doing so.

@jackmadrox said:
People will actually go through all that trouble just to avoid higher ranks? 

Obviously yes...

@PiiFree said:
Why would you smurf in DbD? You can just purposely depip for the same effect without having to buy another copy & DLCs.... That's why "depip on purpose" is (in my opinion) a real problem. It's exactly like smurfing.

Depiping is often done to avoid certain types of toxic gameplay, or gameplay killers deem as out of thier league. I used to play 5-1 for a while and then stopped because I didnt like playing with those people. I keep myself in the 11-7 because that offers me the best results for the gameplay I like. I dont like "stomping noobs" and I dont like playing with "GG-EZ" gen rushing sweaty elites either. While rank means nothing, most people still use it to gauge difficulty levels.

@Onionthing said:
Depiping is often done to avoid certain types of toxic gameplay, or gameplay killers deem as out of thier league. I used to play 5-1 for a while and then stopped because I didnt like playing with those people. I keep myself in the 11-7 because that offers me the best results for the gameplay I like. I dont like "stomping noobs" and I dont like playing with "GG-EZ" gen rushing sweaty elites either. While rank means nothing, most people still use it to gauge difficulty levels.

You're still indirectly ruining the fun for actual Rank 7-11 players. You might not realize it but as a former Rank 1 player you have significantly more experience than someone that has never reached this rank, leading to an uneven playground for those newer players.

It's egoistic. If you get upset because a gen rush elite squad beats you, that's fair but ultimately that's exactly where the Rank 1 balance currently lies. High skilled Killers should be able to compete with high skilled Survivors. If they can't, that's a possible result of imbalance and needs to be adressed but avoiding it by purposely deranking won't solve this issue. In fact, it will just shift the imbalance towards Rank 7-11 players and create an even bigger mess regarding matchmaking & balance.

@Onionthing said:
Im egotistical? really? So let me get this straight, I'm a bad person because I want to play causally...

Because I don't want to be harassed, bullied and kicked around. I should just take it up the "you know what" because Legion is a pipping machine who doesn't have to win a damn match to rank up? Then I should just sit around and do nothing once lobbies slow down? I should sacrifice my fun because I fall under a blanket statement of "bad killers" and "bad gamers" just so a bunch of people can feel like they are vindicated from a boogeyman concept that may or may not exist.

I want to have fun .. otherwise Im going someplace else. Some of us are not trying to maliciously ruin everyone's experience, we are just trying to get the most out of our game, before it sucks so much that we want we drop it.

But hey, I could just go play Civ 5

You did great on ignoring the actual point!

...but yes, do that instead of "smurfing" your way back to low rank to "have fun" stomping inexperienced players :-)

Elite squads are in all ranks, but ironically in Rank 1 are far less bullies than in lower ranks because guess what? Bullies are looking for unskilled Killers, which is why they also derank on purpose. Rank 1 Killers can handle them, they get rekt on a regular basis so they derank to find weaker Killers to bully.

You should've realized by now that Legion was made for pipping, not killing. If you find it unfun to play legion without getting kills and as a result purposely derank to face players that you can easily 4k, you're technically ruining their fun.

It's my opinion; players that purposely derank to avoid players of their skill level and instead go for lower skilled players are egoists. Simple. My pride would never allow such a pathetic thing but I guess this is where the community seperates. If you don't want to pip, you can just let them escape / never hook them and you WILL NOT pip. If you still want to 4k even in lower ranks, you're no better than those elite squads that bully low rank killers.

@Ray_Penber said:
I actually happen to agree with Onionthing. I suck as a survivor, yet all you have to do to rank up is run from the killer for 30 seconds, do a couple of gens, and save a person. Not that hard to do. I can't loop killers very well or 360 them. So as for me, I very much like the green ranks. I am very comfortable there and I still lose a lot. I used to be in the purple ranks and barely escaped at all. However, I still ranked up. Their whole system is absurd. I do not belong in the purple or red ranks. I am not ready for them yet. I am waiting until I can properly loop and 360. Then possibley I will go into those ranks. For now I will continue to depip.

All you do is looking for excuses to not play in Rank 1. You don't "learn how to play in Rank 1" without actually playing there, all you do is boost your skill towards "ready for rank 1" while stomping rank 10.

Getting ready for rank 1 is a process that happens when actually playing there. You might find yourself in the absolute lowest skill bracket of a certain rank and then move your way to the top. In Dead by Daylight there are only 2 meaningful ranks: Rank 1 and Rank 20, the ranks in between just represent the time you've spent so far on your way to Rank 1. In Rank 1 you'll find players of low skill that barely managed to get there (maybe someone like you) and you'll find players that play nothing but Rank 1. Of course there is a HUGE skill gap in between and of course the matchmaking is absolute garbage, I totally agree but what you experience in Rank 1 (people stomping you) is exactly what Rank 1 players do to the players in the Rank 10s by depipping.

I wouldn't say YOU personally are a problem (or anyone else here) because technically what you do is refuse to "git gud". However, the numerous streamers and other players with literally thousands of hours - the already "got gud" ones - that purposely depip to play in low ranks. Those ruin the experience for actually lower experienced players that never even smelled rank 1.

@Ray_Penber said:
Hmmm stomping the lower ranks. That must be why I just lost to a rank 11 just now and a rank 18 a couple of matches ago. I sure am refusing to get gud. Oh and I ranked up, imagine that.

Listen, stop putting yourself in the center of attention here. I clearly stated my opinion regarding you personally.

@PiiFree said:

@Ray_Penber said:
I actually happen to agree with Onionthing. I suck as a survivor, yet all you have to do to rank up is run from the killer for 30 seconds, do a couple of gens, and save a person. Not that hard to do. I can't loop killers very well or 360 them. So as for me, I very much like the green ranks. I am very comfortable there and I still lose a lot. I used to be in the purple ranks and barely escaped at all. However, I still ranked up. Their whole system is absurd. I do not belong in the purple or red ranks. I am not ready for them yet. I am waiting until I can properly loop and 360. Then possibley I will go into those ranks. For now I will continue to depip.

All you do is looking for excuses to not play in Rank 1. You don't "learn how to play in Rank 1" without actually playing there, all you do is boost your skill towards "ready for rank 1" while stomping rank 10.

Getting ready for rank 1 is a process that happens when actually playing there. You might find yourself in the absolute lowest skill bracket of a certain rank and then move your way to the top. In Dead by Daylight there are only 2 meaningful ranks: Rank 1 and Rank 20, the ranks in between just represent the time you've spent so far on your way to Rank 1. In Rank 1 you'll find players of low skill that barely managed to get there (maybe someone like you) and you'll find players that play nothing but Rank 1. Of course there is a HUGE skill gap in between and of course the matchmaking is absolute garbage, I totally agree but what you experience in Rank 1 (people stomping you) is exactly what Rank 1 players do to the players in the Rank 10s by depipping.

I wouldn't say YOU personally are a problem (or anyone else here) because technically what you do is refuse to "git gud". However, the numerous streamers and other players with literally thousands of hours - the already "got gud" ones - that purposely depip to play in low ranks. Those ruin the experience for actually lower experienced players that never even smelled rank 1.

Are there any streamers that actually play in low ranks?

@Ray_Penber said:
I wasn't trying to put myself at the center of attention. I was merely stateing that I suck as a survivor. Also, regarding you previous comment, I don't refuse to get gud. That is what I am trying to do. By your statement there, there should be nothing, but rank 1 and players who are new just need to get gud. 

You try to get gud by avoiding actually good players? Smart.

My statement doesn't say "there should only be rank 1 players". If you play this game to such an extent that you reach Rank 1 then you should stay in Rank 1 because you're WAY ahead of the players that effectively fail to get there. It only makes it worse for those players when they have to deal with "Rank 1" players. I have a friend with around 200 hours on Killer and he just can't get to Rank 10 because he keeps facing elite squads that solely play the game to bully lower experienced Killers like him. It's demotivating and frustrating.

You say it yourself, it's damn easy to rank up but it's still somewhat hard for actually newer players because they have to learn everything. Now throw in some 1000+ h players and watch the newer players cry about imbalance, broken matchmaking, meaningless ranking system and SWFs.

TADAAAA - that's exactly where we are at this exact moment, mainly because of SWFs / smurfs / derankers that create a massive imbalance.

The ranking is not totally meaningless, it's at least an indicator for experience.

@Ray_Penber said:
Funny how I just got done telling you a flaw in what you said and then you go and say the exact same thing. Listen close, I...SUCK AS A SURVIVOR. Equivalent to a green rank player. "Try to get good by avoiding good player." Like I said, you can say the same thing for lower ranks. You know smurfing, why would newbies cry over it. They just need to get gud according to you logic. Don't avoid the good players newbies because they are there to help you "get gud".

Your lack of reading comprehension is pissing me off. I don't think I can be any clearer. YOU are NOT the center of attention regarding smurfing and deranking on purpose. You are irrelevant. You suck as survivor and you will keep sucking as Survivor because you avoid playing against actually good players. That's why YOU are irrelevant.

We're talking about the players that OBVIOUSLY have the skill of rank 1 players that depip for the sole purpose to avoid players of their skill level.

@Ray_Penber said:
But if I continue to die against lower rank players then that won't make me good at all? I mean obviously they don't have any skill that will make good. I guess I will forever continue to suck as a survivor.

You won't learn how to deal with Rank 1 Killers, or at least not anytime soon. Lower Rank Killers don't know how and when to mindgame, don't know how to make use of the red strain, don't know when it's worth to drop a chase and go somewhere else, how to avoid flashlights or DS, 360s and Dead Hard. They still heavily rely on the mistakes of the (low rank) Survivors.

You'll certainly reduce the amount of mistakes you do by just playing the game, learn the basics like hitting great skill checks, moving your camera backwards, how to counter specific perks ect but how to deal with a skilled Nurse, Hag, Spirit or Billy? I don't think you'll learn that in Rank 10 because you only rarely face them in first place.

It's a bit similar to the players that simply disconnect when they face a Nurse. They CAN'T get good against Nurses because they never play against them. You need to face them, that means you have to step out of your comfort zone and play against them until you learn how to deal with them. Same with SWFs. Same with flashlights ect.

Of course you can say "I never want to deal with them so I just derank / disconnect to avoid them". It's pathetic and egoistic in my opinion for the reasons I stated previously; people refuse to git gud for the sake of their own fun, which messes up balance and ruins the other players fun.

@Gorgonia said:
Besides the fact that I think deranking is wrong, I’m a bit concerned as to how a lot of people are Steam profile dependent. The fact that you go into someone’s profile to check how many hours they played to assume they are good at the game or not is a bit preoccupying. You do it once, you do it twice, then you depend on checking their profiles forever, but what for? What do you need to be aware of before the game starts? Or will you dodge a lobby either as a killer or as a survivor because you assume the other party will outplay you due to how many hours they have been playing the game?
It’s pretty much the same as going into Google when you’re sick because you can’t wait to see the doctor.
Chill out, don’t spoil the fun, or is it that you never want to lose?
I go into games in PS4 where I get totally outplayed, badly, and I take it in without ranting. Gives you the chance to improve.
Now stop making this Steam Profile stalking a thing, you guys don’t realize it’s become a problem.

My 2 cents :pirate:

And again I blame purposely deranking for it.

A player with <100 hours should NEVER have to play against players with 1000+ hours, that shouldn't even be possible. Since in DbD it IS possible, the players take it in their own hands by checking the players profile and dodge them when they're clearly more experienced. That's exactly what I mentioned earlier, Rank 1 players derank to play against lower experienced players. The lower experienced players get tired of it and start to check profiles. The derankers get dodged and complain in the forum about lobby dodging. It's a classic "you reap what you sow" situation. They dodge high skilled players by deranking and then they get dodged by low rank players that (understandably) dodge them.

@Gorgonia said:
While they should change the ranking system and disable the deranking option (I have no alternative to it tho) they should also disable the profile feature.

I agree. In both the start lobby and the endgame lobby

@Chi said:

@Ryuhi said:
how the hell do you smurf in a game where literally all rank means is that you play a lot? it doesnt earn anything, and it barely even affects matchmaking due to how pisspoor easy it is to rank up if you just play a lot.

Except that isn't all that rank means, especially at the yellow ranks and beginning of the green ones.

You have to fail pretty spectacularly to not at least black pip more than 50% of the time. The way the current system is designed, attrition will pretty much always give a positive yield. The main difference between skill is how fast they rank up, but once you get to the top worse people with more games played are still paired with better players who may have less games played. IIRC its the reason why ranks get reset every month to begin with.

That said, there is zero benefit to higher ranks, and it can even hurt queue times in certain circumstances. Its why depiping randomly became a hot topic again.

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@Ryuhi said:

@The_Trapper said:
Ranks do mean something, when I started in rank 20 I was getting 4K every game.
"Wow, I must be a naturally amazing killer. I can kill 4 survivors as any of the killers."
Then when I hit rank 4 to 1
"2 survivors dead at the end game, that will do...thank God I managed to rack up enough BP to still be the MVP.'

you can't derank past 15, so 20-15 is legitimately 100% new players (or fresh smurfs?)

Or people playing with their new "friends"