Why is AFK Pig exploits allowed?
Why did it require urgent attention to put two hooks at the top of the police station and quickly changing Boil Over but a Pig going AFK and preventing survivors from playing a match not being addressed? Why is both sides not having or being held to the same standards of proper sportsmanship? This is an extremely bad exploit and warrants immediate attention from the developers. This definitely needs to be fixed now and not next year.
Two people died because the killer was AFK.
The killer is not even worried about his repercussions.
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It's perfectly working as intended KEKw
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No idea. I don't like it either.
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DbD has hacker issue and you expected they will ban afk Pigs? I think they will just ignore this issue.
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It shouldn't be a thing. It's a shame too because it's ruining some actually well-designed Pig add-ons for the majority of players because some dumbasses want to exploit them.
Can't believe I agree with Sluzzy.
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Yeah they definitely should look at this add-on. It literally ruins the game not allowing survivors to essentially play the game.
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outplayed tbh
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Look. If you can't get the Pig away from the box, clearly you aren't skilled enough and shouldn't win.
Patricks thoughts looking at this.
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That is horrendous!
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The Pig was clearly the better player.
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skill issue
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Because the game still ends. It's not an exploit, just bad game design.
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Typical skill issue, smh
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As I’ve been saying they’re so quick to nerf survivor perks but allow something this dumb to slide by. Like seriously, who at BHVR thought “yeah, I don’t see anything wrong with this”?
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Wait...
Why did you censor your own name at the top, but left it on the rank screen?
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If you got killed by a beartrap while the Pig was blocking the last box, was it really a skilled play in the first place?
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If you loaded into a trial with a virtually 0% chance of escaping, was it really a skilled play in the first place?
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Pig literally has less than a 50% chance of getting a single kill with that strat, and only about 20% chance of getting two kills. Accept that you got cucked by RNG and move on tbh
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just get gud
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It doesn't matter how "likely" it is, the fact that a survivor can spawn in a match and due to how the RNG works, has a 0% chance of escaping with nothing to do with how they played/skill level and what have you, that is not okay.
I'd be willing to accept "it's just rng lol" if the developers clearly weren't trying to make the game more "competitive" with things like SBMM
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Sad thing is, this is what most likely will happen. The more players are playing as AFK-Pig, the more urgent BHVR wants to bring a solution and the fastest solution is to nerf the Add Ons in some way.
And equally sad - most likely Survivor-players will be blamed for the Nerf then, while it is quite clear who ruins it for every Pig-player.
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RNG is literally Pig's entire kit, and SBMM is the biggest joke BHVR made since claiming to not have a bias towards either side
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RNG is part of her power, but you know what Pig has to do in most of her games
She has to actually catch survivors and win chases. Something that takes actual skill to do and both sides have a chance to do something about
The tape addon removes this. It's like if one survivor just randomly spawned in the basement hook against bubba. Obviously that's hyperbole but still.
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Exactly. Plus, the RNG-aspect is also dependent on the Skill of the Pig-player. If a Pig-player is really bad, even the videotape will do nothing, because the RNG gets negated by the fact that every Survivor will easily be able to do all 4 Boxes (and 4 Boxes mean that the Trap is off 100%), while still being able to do enough to escape the Trial.
So to have access to the RNG in normal gameplay, the Pig has to do something.
However, blocking one Box boils it down to RNG-only. You can be the best Pig-player in the world or a 2 year old kid and you will have the same results when playing a game as AFK-Pig.
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Survivors weren't cautious enough, pig outplayed them early enough to use gens against them
Like a solid bubba in the basement the killer just needed to chill and wait for the reward.
My survivor approach would have been more reliant on stealth & awareness over meta counters. Would still die if I was caught early, but that'd be on me for failure in chase.
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Well... seeing how that was a strategy before the addon changes
It's something that does need addressing but how to go about it is the question
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You spawn with a bear trap on your head
There is nothing you can do about it if the pig just happens to block the right box
You can't be cautious or stealthy, as long as the killer has the tape addon you cannot avoid having to deal with it
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Intentionally Afking itself is a reportable offense.
So this would be reportable.
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That's really dependent on RNG though like yeah I agree it's annoying but, again we can't control the RNG Pig gets good RNG than that's just unlucky for Survivors. Survivors get good RNG Pig has to get back on her feet to try to win.
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A user here on the forums made a ticket and support staff told them it wasn't against the rules
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/309626/my-pig-ticket-was-answered-recently/p1
Source ^
Techincally the support staff isn't wrong per-say but at the same time they said the strat 'isn't punishable' so I'm not 100% sure if its counted as being AFK
AFK in everything but name I guess?
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saying it's AFK is just an attempt to try and make it bannable via assumption. Every pig I have seen doing this is not AFK. They are actively sitting there, watching. Many start spamming roars if you get close, or move around to look at you. I have also seen Pigs who immediately go on the offensive once all the traps are off or the gens done, which they wouldn't be able to do if actually afk.
You'd need actual proof of the person afking, which you straight up cannot provide or prove. No one is removing paying customers off of an assumption.
It should be changed, but people should stop trying to pretend it's bannable or anything. It's extremely toxic but not bannable, and will almost certainly get fixed down the line.
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Yeah, but you could be "afk myers" and still be there stalking people. You could be "afk bubba" but actively there protecting the basement chest.
AFK only works if you do not interact with the match at all. Strategically bodyblocking is interacting with the match. Pig doesnt ever spawn in bodyblocking a jigsaw box. So she isnt afk.
Just because you're not touching your keyboard doesnt mean you're away from keyboard.
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So the support is basically saying there is an exception to the rule, a PIg is allowed to do it. This is no different than grieving and bodyblocking a survivor and preventing them from playing the match.
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I did something similar and the salty survivors sent it to Behavior. They emailed me that I was a hero and to keep setting a great example to all Pig players out there about how to play her properly despite all of the nerfs. I wasn't expecting that from them, but it really made me respect them a lot more as a studio.
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The Pig didn't interact. She stayed at the jigsaw and prevented two players any opportunity, without choice.
But being AFK is really beside the point although she was same as, she abused a mechanic for an unfair advantage and similar to bodyblocking, prevented two survivors from playing the match.
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Just let the killer hit you? If you get slugged, timer stops. Hooked, timer still is stopped. If the Pig just stands over you after slugging, then yeah, there needs to be something done about that. I'm finding to many killers doing that nowadays.
I don't have a solution but the Devs should come up with something for face camping.
But camping on a puzzle isn't really anything to be upset over, unless you all get slugged and then bleed out. I'm sure if the community helped with ideas, the devs could look into it? I don't have answers but complaining and getting salty over it won't fix the issue.
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For once Sluzzy I agree with you both Killers and Survivors need to be held to the same standards. Now I'm playing devil's advocate here but maybe the Devs didn't know about the exploit just like we did until it happened.
The fix for this will take a bit more work than just adding a few hooks or changing a value of a perk. The easiest way I can think of is put in a line of code that states if Mrs Piggy is too close ie body blocking range, that the box in question will never spawn a survivor's key. That will take time to put in but I'm the meantime record these Pigs and report them because it's Killers like that that give casual fun loving Killers a bad name as Toxic Bully squads give survivors a bad name.
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They know. It is not reportable. However, I still agree with Sluzzy. At the end of the day THIS is what happens when you are not consistent in your logic when it comes to the rules. Saying that bodyblocking a survivor takes the game hostage, and then saying that bodyblocking a survivor doesn't take the game hostage... That is almost why it makes more sense to be objective.
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They could fix this by allowing survivors to use the box on either side
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All that needs to be done is to make anyone standing in front of the box lose collision after a while
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Strategic bodyblocking is continuous interaction. Thats like saying a survivor working on a gen isnt interacting with the game. They arent moving, they arent really pushing buttons.
But lets do the maths here, because before Amanda's Letter was buffed/nerfed from 2 boxes to 4 boxes. Depending on how you look at it.
With the old addon, this was basically the setup:
25% chance of 0 kill; 50% chance of 1k; 25% chance of 2k. 2 boxes and 2 survivors. The counter play is effectively 99'ing gens once you see her block and check the other box.
This is assuming survivors are braindead and dont try to think of ways to counterplay here. There is a 75% chance in this scenario that both survivors live because 3 people escape through the gate and 1 through the hatch. There is a 25% chance of a 1k.
Now, with 4 boxes, instead of 4 possible options, you now have 32 possible options. This changes the math to:
6,25% chance of a 2k; 18,75% chance of a 1k 75% chance of a 0k.
With the above counterplay in mind, there is a 6.25% chance of 1 guaranteed kill because of this and a whopping 93,75% chance of 4 people escaping since Pig wasted all her time blocking 1 spot and didnt pressure anyone else.
And this is assuming Pig always picks Box number 1, im not even including the effects that happen when Pig also randomly picks a box. Because it is a 6.25% every single game. You'd only have a 50% chance of this working out once every 11 matches. A 75% chance every 22 matches and it doesnt even get over 95% chance of working untill 46 matches. That is a 95% chance of getting 1 guaranteed kill after 46 matches.
With randoms in mind, its much easier to pull off at least 1 kill since survivors mindlessly pop gens, but you get punished in chess for mindlessly trying to combat a scholars mate too. Not using your brain when your opponent is, is followed by a punishment. Let alone that Pig could do this without Amanda's letter and have a better shot at killing people, but if you can down 3-4 people, give them hats and block a jigsaw box before any of them visited it, you can also pretty much 4-hook them.
This strat isnt worth complaining about. It's ineffective and is easily countered. You have a 93% chance of surviving.
What DOES need to be changed, however, is the effects of MMR on people that arent sacrificed. If you bleed out, get your head popped, get mori'd by any means should have a similar effect to your MMR as a DC or Hatch would.
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Pig is working as intended. The devs said during a livestream that the game isn't about looping or getting hooks - it's about getting kills or escapes. That's where the skill's at.
Sorry to hear that you got outplayed so hard, but it is what it is. Furthermore, this strat is lore-friendly because Amanda is known for creating unwinnable situations such as this one.
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It is the Pig meta, and we have the devs approval like it or not lmao
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Well that's just bad rng for keys if more than one is in the same box
I've had a few pigs do this after chases and Manuel traps, but even with the increase of pigs I haven't encountered one that does this tactic from the start.
Either devs make a small rng adjustment or we continue to chop it up to the entity giving us the finger.
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How's it the pig meta if it's supposedly not consistant and "rare"
And you don't have the devs approval, they just aren't banning people for it
You know what else was in the same boat for a long time? Stretched resolution.
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Because BHVR doesn't make mistakes, and removing this would be admitting an obvious oversight.
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Props for playing Elodie <3
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If pig is actually try hard enough at least one survivor is guaranteed to die anyway.
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Pig does technically have one of the best 1v1s in the game and can actually technically ensure a kill without needing a hook whereas Bubba needs a hook.
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I dunno @Sluzzy maybe he just got his fav map or has a sick gaming chair O.o
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Sluzzy redemption arc?
Yeah it's stupid and bhvr is really inconsistent with these kind of game rules. Whether you're physically there watching your screen or not they've strongly implied, (probably even outright said at some point) that playing killer and not moving from one spot for long is reportable i.e.not engaging in "normal gameplay"
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