Change to We're gonna live forever

We're gonna live forever is a perk based off being altruistic. It rewards you for being a teammate player. Bring Borrowed time that could help. Every Survivor and every killer has a way they want to play. If they want to tunnel that is there decision.

I wrote in a different thread I think WGLF should get a similar treatment as BBQ & Chilli. After unhooking a survivor the unhooked survivor sees the killers aura withing 12/24/36m. If you dont see the aura you are safe. Its a reverse aura reading ability compared to the killer perk.

@Freudentrauma said:

@Tsulan said:
Why do you want to buff a BP perk?

I think the problem with We're gonna live forever is that it only gives you Bloodpoints and has no use during a trial in comparison to other BP perks like Distressing, BBQ, No One Left Behind. That makes it feel kinda useless or like a waste, because it's only there for points.
I personally think it would be a better perk design, if it would have another effect. The big question is what it should be, because it shouldn't be stronger than BBQ.

Distressing and No One Left Behind are kinda pointless right now. Since their bonus is so tiny and bound to ingame points, that they are not worth the waste of a perk slot.

There should be more perks like WGLF. Enabling people to use full farm builds, but gimping their game by doing so.

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Freudentrauma said:

@Tsulan said:
Why do you want to buff a BP perk?

I think the problem with We're gonna live forever is that it only gives you Bloodpoints and has no use during a trial in comparison to other BP perks like Distressing, BBQ, No One Left Behind. That makes it feel kinda useless or like a waste, because it's only there for points.
I personally think it would be a better perk design, if it would have another effect. The big question is what it should be, because it shouldn't be stronger than BBQ.

Distressing and No One Left Behind are kinda pointless right now. Since their bonus is so tiny and bound to ingame points, that they are not worth the waste of a perk slot.

There should be more perks like WGLF. Enabling people to use full farm builds, but gimping their game by doing so.

Do you think BBQ should be split into 2 perks? Serious question.

No.
BBQ is working as intended. It shows the killer a new target and gives him an incentive to go for it.
BBQ has reduced camping more than every other perk.
If you split it into 2 perks, killers would just use the extra BP version and camp.
The aura reading alone is not strong enough to take it.

@Tsulan said:
Distressing and No One Left Behind are kinda pointless right now. Since their bonus is so tiny and bound to ingame points, that they are not worth the waste of a perk slot.

There should be more perks like WGLF. Enabling people to use full farm builds, but gimping their game by doing so.

It's true that does two perks come from a time, when perk design was kinda different with BP bonuses. But the general idea to create a BP bonus perk with an additional effect, is what I wanted to talk about. NOIB is actually a good example. Gives you more points in altruism, and perform them quicker as soon as the gates are powered. It gives you an incentive to change your playstyle and it's effect helps you during a trial while performing it.
BBQ works quite similar with it's Aura reading, because it tries to help you to locate your missing stacks.
WGLF on the other hand does nothing like that. It requires to change your playstyle, but that's it. There is nothin that is helping you or those who get unhooked by you a little bit. Which allows people to handle this perk quite differently and lead me not to trust those who run his perk, because 90% of times, somebody uses it, they turn out to be the most selfish farming players in the world. Not caring if a hook is unsafe or not.
Look I'm not asking for an op meta game effect. But at least something that encourage the player to play it more safely and as intended.

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Freudentrauma said:

@Tsulan said:
Why do you want to buff a BP perk?

I think the problem with We're gonna live forever is that it only gives you Bloodpoints and has no use during a trial in comparison to other BP perks like Distressing, BBQ, No One Left Behind. That makes it feel kinda useless or like a waste, because it's only there for points.
I personally think it would be a better perk design, if it would have another effect. The big question is what it should be, because it shouldn't be stronger than BBQ.

Distressing and No One Left Behind are kinda pointless right now. Since their bonus is so tiny and bound to ingame points, that they are not worth the waste of a perk slot.

There should be more perks like WGLF. Enabling people to use full farm builds, but gimping their game by doing so.

Do you think BBQ should be split into 2 perks? Serious question.

No.
BBQ is working as intended. It shows the killer a new target and gives him an incentive to go for it.
BBQ has reduced camping more than every other perk.
If you split it into 2 perks, killers would just use the extra BP version and camp.
The aura reading alone is not strong enough to take it.

I know there is, but for irony’s sake, I need to say this. “What are the counterplays to BBQ?”

Being in the terror radius when he hooks someone
Hide behind an unrepaired gen.
Run into one direction, count to 4 then run into the other direction.
Stand still for 4 seconds, then run.

And if you counter the perk? And he’s sees no aura? He camps right?

Correct.

@Jack11803 said:
@Tsulan

So several killers I talked to, they said it’s okay that it’s strong, only because it stops camping, then called me stupid, for “wanting to increase camping by nerfing it”. And then when I say “hey, maybe the aura thing should be it’s own separate perk, it’s kinda really strong” they say, well just counter it. Then when I do, they camp, this eliminates the argument of “this perk shouldn’t be nerfed cuz less camp”. So why do people talk in circles like this? I don’t get it?

As survivor you defeat the purpose of BBQ by avoiding it.
Killer can only leave the hook if he has a new target. If you deny that, he assumes that everyone else is closeby.
Possible solution would be to eliminate the possibility of hiding behind a gen.

@Jack11803
The most logical would be to simply remove the BP function to both WGLF/BBQ, and make these a passive. Perk slots should be for fun and mecanics, not for the grinding.
Then you could (obviously) consider a rework for WGLF into an actual fun mecanic.

That would be balanced and way more interesting, at least in my opinion. But my opinion does not matter much.

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Jack11803 said:
@Tsulan

So several killers I talked to, they said it’s okay that it’s strong, only because it stops camping, then called me stupid, for “wanting to increase camping by nerfing it”. And then when I say “hey, maybe the aura thing should be it’s own separate perk, it’s kinda really strong” they say, well just counter it. Then when I do, they camp, this eliminates the argument of “this perk shouldn’t be nerfed cuz less camp”. So why do people talk in circles like this? I don’t get it?

As survivor you defeat the purpose of BBQ by avoiding it.
Killer can only leave the hook if he has a new target. If you deny that, he assumes that everyone else is closeby.
Possible solution would be to eliminate the possibility of hiding behind a gen.

Then billy, who is already insanely strong with that perk, would be more disgusting. I’ve made several points from different views to finally set this up. To pick st every corner to see the reply. And now that I have, they all contradict, you CANT completely counter BBQ, it DOESN’T stop camping. So why not nerf or split such a strong perk? Obviously DS and SB need a nerf. But you can’t say, “oh this perks fine because other perks are op too.”

What´s with Billy?
Just do the other 3 things after a hook.
No killer, not Billy, nor Nurse can pass 40 meters in 4 seconds.

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

@Jack11803 said:
@Tsulan

So several killers I talked to, they said it’s okay that it’s strong, only because it stops camping, then called me stupid, for “wanting to increase camping by nerfing it”. And then when I say “hey, maybe the aura thing should be it’s own separate perk, it’s kinda really strong” they say, well just counter it. Then when I do, they camp, this eliminates the argument of “this perk shouldn’t be nerfed cuz less camp”. So why do people talk in circles like this? I don’t get it?

As survivor you defeat the purpose of BBQ by avoiding it.
Killer can only leave the hook if he has a new target. If you deny that, he assumes that everyone else is closeby.
Possible solution would be to eliminate the possibility of hiding behind a gen.

Then billy, who is already insanely strong with that perk, would be more disgusting. I’ve made several points from different views to finally set this up. To pick st every corner to see the reply. And now that I have, they all contradict, you CANT completely counter BBQ, it DOESN’T stop camping. So why not nerf or split such a strong perk? Obviously DS and SB need a nerf. But you can’t say, “oh this perks fine because other perks are op too.”

What´s with Billy?
Just do the other 3 things after a hook.
No killer, not Billy, nor Nurse can pass 40 meters in 4 seconds.

Billy can get close enough for a fake out be impossible. The whole hiding mechanic is based on stealth killers suprisingbyou but having low offense, and strong killers having a warning. This gives you about 12 seconds to act. Billy gives you about 4, which is a tiny amount and basically means squat in the nearest corner and if you’re not p3 Claudette kiss your ass goodbye,

That´s simply not true. Hide or run. But he can´t reach you in those 4 seconds (which effectivly are 3, because the aura starts during the hook animation). Then he loses another second or two when he tries to pinpoint you. After that he charges his chainsaw (aura reading already over) and starts rushing into your direction.
Even without obstacles (and there are a lot) he can´t reach you, if you run and hide.