Even Tru3talent is Stomped by Genrush
https://youtu.be/UfRH5VzNOhIComments
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At 1:01 he looks at and hears the generator at what sounds like 80-90% completion and chooses to ignore it. Chasing the person off the generator would have resulted in it being saved while causing the Laurie to heal, wasting time, while initiating a new chase, keeping two people off generators.
He then proceeds to play shack incorrectly, granting Laurie two additional loops while trying to shock.
At 1:24 he again ignores people working on an almost-completed generator to continue chasing Laurie.
Then he blindly picks up a survivor at a pallet without so much as turning around.
Yeah he made a lot of mistakes. Genrushing is mostly you not pressuring the map, which is what happened.
That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
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He's doing a no perk no add-on challenge, combine that with Rotten Fields, and Doctor the odds were against him.
But yeah, Gen Rush is real, this was Tru3's fault because he had no range add-ons and the misfortune of that completely unexpected pallet stun, ouch. If he didn't get stunned this wouldn't be as bad, still bad but would have gotten a hook sooner.
People can say Gen rushing isn't a thing and can debate about it but the fact is there are MORE opportunities for Survivors to do Gens very fast than there are for combating it. Killers have Ruin, Discordance, and small maps. You can choose to play Killers that combat Gen rush but that's different than the core game.
Survivors have 4 members, Resilience, toolboxes, Prove Thyself, Left Behind, large maps, Great skill checks, and probably some other things I can't remember unless that's it.There are other Gen Killer perks but those require hunting Survivors beforehand, I'm just talking about getting the Gen done. You cannot say that the odds are in the Killer's favor when it comes to slowing down the Gens, even if you talk about other perks Killers can use because your perks are outnumbered by the 16 perks and items going against you and your 4 carefully selected perks.
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https://youtu.be/FWxKEsGMq9w1
4 man Wraith no perks, Wraith must be to strong he must be unbalanced even trutalent can do it
You win some you lose some but it shows it's not how each and every game goes.9 -
Isn't the fact that a strong player like Tru3, who often 4ks can still lose a game an indication that the game is* balanced? Not to mention the obvious, no addons, no perks, and he played poorly tunneling laurie, and ignored the pallet save possibility completely.
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He was doing the no perks no skills challenge
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@Fenrir said:
This just proves that this game is truly unbalancedTruetalent is not the best example since he doesnt play competitively, he refuses to tunnel or camp when necessary and wants to generate a "fun game".
But he is playing doc, so he was doomed the moment he entered the queue.....
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@ScottJund said:
At 1:01 he looks at and hears the generator at what sounds like 80-90% completion and chooses to ignore it. Chasing the person off the generator would have resulted in it being saved while causing the Laurie to heal, wasting time, while initiating a new chase, keeping two people off generators.He then proceeds to play shack incorrectly, granting Laurie two additional loops while trying to shock.
At 1:24 he again ignores people working on an almost-completed generator to continue chasing Laurie.
Yeah he made a lot of mistakes. Genrushing is mostly you not pressuring the map, which is what happened.
That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Ive replayed it 3 times now and im unable to hear a 90% generator at 1.01
But maybe thats due to the fact that the completely messed up sound.....3 -
@Master said:
@Fenrir said:
This just proves that this game is truly unbalancedTruetalent is not the best example since he doesnt play competitively, he refuses to tunnel or camp when necessary and wants to generate a "fun game".
But he is playing doc, so he was doomed the moment he entered the queue.....
He actually tunnels quite a lot. You see him go after the same person right from a hook.
That said he still plays more fair than your average killer.
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I only been rushed a few times as a killer main and that was from sweaty try hard SWF groups who absolutely wanted to win. However, there are some killer mains that claim to be rushed every game and at that point, it's not a flawed game mechanic... That's a you problem.Fenrir said:
Nevertheless, I'll say that gen rushing is a problem but most of problem can be alleviated if you just play better in general.5 -
@HURRI_KAIN said:
Isn't the fact that a strong player like Tru3, who often 4ks can still lose a game an indication that the game is* balanced? Not to mention the obvious, no addons, no perks, and he played poorly tunneling laurie, and ignored the pallet save possibility completely.It's an indicater that the rank system is a seasonal grind, and that rank 1 is not a category for the Top x percentile of the players and that as a result, a lot of good and bad players all find themselves under the same banner; rank 1, meaning that you can consistently 4k or escape with both factions when you are good at the game.
This is not a sign of game balance. It's just a sign of a non-functional ranking system.
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@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
@HURRI_KAIN said:
Isn't the fact that a strong player like Tru3, who often 4ks can still lose a game an indication that the game is* balanced? Not to mention the obvious, no addons, no perks, and he played poorly tunneling laurie, and ignored the pallet save possibility completely.It's an indicater that the rank system is a seasonal grind, and that rank 1 is not a category for the Top x percentile of the players and that as a result, a lot of good and bad players all find themselves under the same banner; rank 1, meaning that you can consistently 4k or escape with both factions when you are good at the game.
This is not a sign of game balance. It's just a sign of a non-functional ranking system.
You know, I think I would be fine with a 50 rank system similar to the current, but they would have to be careful with matchmaking so as not to destroy matchmaking. Increasing the rank ladder would help some in discerning the quality or frequency of play in players.
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50 ranks? Queue time would increase massivelyHURRI_KAIN said:@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
@HURRI_KAIN said:
Isn't the fact that a strong player like Tru3, who often 4ks can still lose a game an indication that the game is* balanced? Not to mention the obvious, no addons, no perks, and he played poorly tunneling laurie, and ignored the pallet save possibility completely.It's an indicater that the rank system is a seasonal grind, and that rank 1 is not a category for the Top x percentile of the players and that as a result, a lot of good and bad players all find themselves under the same banner; rank 1, meaning that you can consistently 4k or escape with both factions when you are good at the game.
This is not a sign of game balance. It's just a sign of a non-functional ranking system.
You know, I think I would be fine with a 50 rank system similar to the current, but they would have to be careful with matchmaking so as not to destroy matchmaking. Increasing the rank ladder would help some in discerning the quality or frequency of play in players.
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You know, I think I would be fine with a 50 rank system similar to the current, but they would have to be careful with matchmaking so as not to destroy matchmaking. Increasing the rank ladder would help some in discerning the quality or frequency of play in players.
50 Ranks wouldn't help either. It would just make the grind longer.
What they need to do is make the game killer-vs-survivor (not killer and survivor being able to win during the same match) and then matching survivors on a ranked ladder against one another and the same for killers.
A range of such ladder would be what we call a rank domain; ""Rank 1, Rank 2, etc).That way overall balance wouldn't matter and through ELO, long matchmaking queue's could be negated quite well.
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I wouldn't enjoy playing if killers were not able to "win" while a couple survivors also "win". It would result in only the sweatiest and try hard -est killers all the time.
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Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.
That's the issue. And that needs to change.3 -
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
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I mean he isn't using a single perk. Or addon. Of course he will struggle. Doesn't prove that the game is unbalanced.
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Also, since their “experiment”. It’s only become easier for killers, then been plenty of changes, pallet distribution, hook distribution, pick up time changes etc etc that makes the whole thing they did invalid imo.ScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
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Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
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Yeah you can definitley see the mistakes he made, games like these happen, when map RNG and certain things go one way, can change a game. He took far too long to get a hook chain going, should have slugged people far more to keep up pressure and been checking more gens. But lets not pretend this is every single game.
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OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.1 -
Yeah yeah and if I say otherwise you come up with sentence "then it's you beeing bad bla bla bla" we already know this trash talking.SenzuDuck said:
OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.
Btw your "omegalul" on every post is really cringe, just fyi.3 -
So you’re not denying what I’m saying so you know it’s true. It’s obvious you just want ez 4Ks.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Yeah yeah and if I say otherwise you come up with sentence "then it's you beeing bad bla bla bla" we already know this trash talking.SenzuDuck said:
OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.
i can’t count the amount of times I’ve said “this isn’t fair for new players” and some forum goer has replied with “why are we balancing around noob players”. Well guess what, if you can’t compete then you should practice more eh
we shouldn’t be balancing around your lack of skill.
the only major changes this game needs are map changes and deleting legion.
btw OMEGALUL fyi.1 -
@CalamariRings said:
But Tru3Ta1ent is not that great in the first place so it proves nothing? 🧐I agree
I was gonna say the same thing but I didn't want to create a fight LUL
He is above average at best. I don't even consider him to be a good killer and honestly, I have no idea why people think he is a great killer.
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I'm not cuz there is no point to try.SenzuDuck said:
So you’re not denying what I’m saying so you know it’s true. It’s obvious you just want ez 4Ks.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Yeah yeah and if I say otherwise you come up with sentence "then it's you beeing bad bla bla bla" we already know this trash talking.SenzuDuck said:
OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.
i can’t count the amount of times I’ve said “this isn’t fair for new players” and some forum goer has replied with “why are we balancing around noob players”.
the only major changes this game needs are map changes and deleting legion.
It's like to say to someone you are mental. If he denies it than obviously he's just denying it cuz he's mental and doesn't won't to agree. And if he agrees, well the case is closed cuz he agreed he's mental. It's a lose lose situation, that's why I don't discuss. Especially not with survivor mains like you.1 -
Yep making swf even stronger so stupidStreamerEater said:@ScottJund said:
At 1:01 he looks at and hears the generator at what sounds like 80-90% completion and chooses to ignore it. Chasing the person off the generator would have resulted in it being saved while causing the Laurie to heal, wasting time, while initiating a new chase, keeping two people off generators.He then proceeds to play shack incorrectly, granting Laurie two additional loops while trying to shock.
At 1:24 he again ignores people working on an almost-completed generator to continue chasing Laurie.
Then he blindly picks up a survivor at a pallet without so much as turning around.
Yeah he made a lot of mistakes. Genrushing is mostly you not pressuring the map, which is what happened.
That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
The fact that within two minutes of a game beginning you can have four generators pop before you even get a hook shows how easy SWF has it. With the Prove Thyself buff coming soon it'll make this somehow even worse.
But at least Legion isn't getting two-hit buffed!111!!!!!111
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But you need to keep in mind that tru3 is playing every killer in rotation with survivor gameplay in between. He basically plays one killer for 10 minutes every 2 days. Imo that's pretty impressive, usually those "better" people are maining 1-3 killers at best. Obviously they are going to be better with their main killer if they focus on less different killers. That's my opinion tho, I'm open to see someone else who plays in such a rotation and is much better than tru3Delfador said:@CalamariRings said:
But Tru3Ta1ent is not that great in the first place so it proves nothing? 🧐I agree
I was gonna say the same thing but I didn't want to create a fight LUL
He is above average at best. I don't even consider him to be a good killer and honestly, I have no idea why people think he is a great killer.
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Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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Survivor main OMEGALUL. I was rank 1 killer on Wednesday and I’m not even rank 1 survivor, I love this whole survivor main thing you do to try and invalidate what I’ve said, I’ll bet my life I’ve put more hours into killer than you have play time.DwightsLifeMatters said:
I'm not cuz there is no point to try.SenzuDuck said:
So you’re not denying what I’m saying so you know it’s true. It’s obvious you just want ez 4Ks.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Yeah yeah and if I say otherwise you come up with sentence "then it's you beeing bad bla bla bla" we already know this trash talking.SenzuDuck said:
OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.
i can’t count the amount of times I’ve said “this isn’t fair for new players” and some forum goer has replied with “why are we balancing around noob players”.
the only major changes this game needs are map changes and deleting legion.
It's like to say to someone you are mental. If he denies it than obviously he's just denying it cuz he's mental and doesn't won't to agree. And if he agrees, well the case is closed cuz he agreed he's mental. It's a lose lose situation, that's why I don't discuss. Especially not with survivor mains like you.0 -
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SenzuDuck said:
Survivor main OMEGALUL. I was rank 1 killer on Wednesday and I’m not even rank 1 survivor, I love this whole survivor main thing you do to try and invalidate what I’ve said, I’ll bet my life I’ve put more hours into killer than you have play time.DwightsLifeMatters said:
I'm not cuz there is no point to try.SenzuDuck said:
So you’re not denying what I’m saying so you know it’s true. It’s obvious you just want ez 4Ks.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Yeah yeah and if I say otherwise you come up with sentence "then it's you beeing bad bla bla bla" we already know this trash talking.SenzuDuck said:
OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.
i can’t count the amount of times I’ve said “this isn’t fair for new players” and some forum goer has replied with “why are we balancing around noob players”.
the only major changes this game needs are map changes and deleting legion.
It's like to say to someone you are mental. If he denies it than obviously he's just denying it cuz he's mental and doesn't won't to agree. And if he agrees, well the case is closed cuz he agreed he's mental. It's a lose lose situation, that's why I don't discuss. Especially not with survivor mains like you.
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True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.
That's the issue. And that needs to change.
4 pro players each with 4k hours or so going against as they even admitted baby killers doing dailies on killer they don't know how to play isn't a valid experiment.
That was also well over a year ago or so and the game has changed dramatically and Monto I believe it was played over 100 games and 4k'd every game straight.
If someone wants to do a depip experiment it should be based upon the AVERAGE player skill level not the ultra pro swat team.
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Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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Marth isn't a survivor main. He is/was a killer main. Don't know about the others. I agree that the game changed to the favour of killers. But with next "rush thyself" buff its going 2 steps back I guesspowerbats said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.
That's the issue. And that needs to change.
4 pro players each with 4k hours or so going against as they even admitted baby killers doing dailies on killer they don't know how to play isn't a valid experiment.
That was also well over a year ago or so and the game has changed dramatically and Monto I believe it was played over 100 games and 4k'd every game straight.
If someone wants to do a depip experiment it should be based upon the AVERAGE player skill level not the ultra pro swat team.
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Never said I was a killer main - I play both but I like the childish memes when you’ve got nothing else, don’t worry honey, once you’ve got a few more hours in you’ll be able to do betterDwightsLifeMatters said:SenzuDuck said:
Survivor main OMEGALUL. I was rank 1 killer on Wednesday and I’m not even rank 1 survivor, I love this whole survivor main thing you do to try and invalidate what I’ve said, I’ll bet my life I’ve put more hours into killer than you have play time.DwightsLifeMatters said:
I'm not cuz there is no point to try.SenzuDuck said:
So you’re not denying what I’m saying so you know it’s true. It’s obvious you just want ez 4Ks.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Yeah yeah and if I say otherwise you come up with sentence "then it's you beeing bad bla bla bla" we already know this trash talking.SenzuDuck said:
OMEGALUL.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Oh they have fun, stomping you just to be toxic in the endgame chat talking trash. But you usually don't verse those people so it's difficult for you to judgeScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:That being said, if you play a low-tier killer with no addons or perks on a big map and survivors spawn each on separate generators, no ######### the game is going to go fast, even if you play perfectly.
Im going to ignore the first part about the mistakes, cuz I don't agree with everything but focus on your last bit.
That's the issue of DbD:
Survivors with no perks and no addons can stomp the sweaty killers with their best addons and best perks. Reference: perkless+addonless depip squad of Marth88.That's the issue. And that needs to change.
Who cares? They weren't playing the game for fun. 99% of people play video games for fun. Their experiment doesn't really even mean anything other than if you hate fun you can win more. I can use 300 Iridescent Heads in a row and probably lose like 2 games total but that's incredibly boring and means nothing.
Nobody usually faces that kind of gameplay, yet here we are trying to show survivors are op because of 1% of matches.
i can’t count the amount of times I’ve said “this isn’t fair for new players” and some forum goer has replied with “why are we balancing around noob players”.
the only major changes this game needs are map changes and deleting legion.
It's like to say to someone you are mental. If he denies it than obviously he's just denying it cuz he's mental and doesn't won't to agree. And if he agrees, well the case is closed cuz he agreed he's mental. It's a lose lose situation, that's why I don't discuss. Especially not with survivor mains like you.I
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Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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Just more evidence he wants ez mode, don’t put the time in to hit rank one and then expect to 4K every match without using anything that makes no senseFenrir said:
Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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I hit rank 1 all the time it doesnt require skill at all just play time and im a great huntress btwSenzuDuck said:
Just more evidence he wants ez mode, don’t put the time in to hit rank one and then expect to 4K every match without using anything that makes no senseFenrir said:
Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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“Don’t put the time in to hit rank one” I never mentioned skill? If survivors are playing enough to hit rank one you have to expect they’ll be half decent, so the fact he’s annoyed killer need addons and perks is ridiculous.Fenrir said:
I hit rank 1 all the time it doesnt require skill at all just play time and im a great huntress btwSenzuDuck said:
Just more evidence he wants ez mode, don’t put the time in to hit rank one and then expect to 4K every match without using anything that makes no senseFenrir said:
Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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Survivors dont even have to be decent since the safety pip basically never lets you depipSenzuDuck said:
“Don’t put the time in to hit rank one” I never mentioned skill? If survivors are playing enough to hit rank one you have to expect they’ll be half decent, so the fact he’s annoyed killer need addons and perks is ridiculous.Fenrir said:
I hit rank 1 all the time it doesnt require skill at all just play time and im a great huntress btwSenzuDuck said:
Just more evidence he wants ez mode, don’t put the time in to hit rank one and then expect to 4K every match without using anything that makes no senseFenrir said:
Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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They still don’t get there instantly? There’s still time they have to put into it, you should be expecting to play any matches without anything.Fenrir said:
Survivors dont even have to be decent since the safety pip basically never lets you depipSenzuDuck said:
“Don’t put the time in to hit rank one” I never mentioned skill? If survivors are playing enough to hit rank one you have to expect they’ll be half decent, so the fact he’s annoyed killer need addons and perks is ridiculous.Fenrir said:
I hit rank 1 all the time it doesnt require skill at all just play time and im a great huntress btwSenzuDuck said:
Just more evidence he wants ez mode, don’t put the time in to hit rank one and then expect to 4K every match without using anything that makes no senseFenrir said:
Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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Without what expecting to escape or to get a kill?SenzuDuck said:
They still don’t get there instantly? There’s still time they have to put into it, you should be expecting to play any matches without anything.Fenrir said:
Survivors dont even have to be decent since the safety pip basically never lets you depipSenzuDuck said:
“Don’t put the time in to hit rank one” I never mentioned skill? If survivors are playing enough to hit rank one you have to expect they’ll be half decent, so the fact he’s annoyed killer need addons and perks is ridiculous.Fenrir said:
I hit rank 1 all the time it doesnt require skill at all just play time and im a great huntress btwSenzuDuck said:
Just more evidence he wants ez mode, don’t put the time in to hit rank one and then expect to 4K every match without using anything that makes no senseFenrir said:
Do you believe that killers base abilities need to be stronger in order to combat against ranks 1s and swf groupsDwightsLifeMatters said:
Exactly. Killer needs addons and perks. And still can get stomped if survivors play optimalFenrir said:
True but i believe even if the killer doesnt have perks or add-ons even at rank the killer should still have decent amount of control but killers are far to dependent on add-ons and perksMy_Dude said:Also he was going no perks, or add ons.
A fully kitted out doc would have had the control needed to slow the game down.
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It's the games problem, not a player problem.
They are just doing their main objective.
Secondary objectives is totems and rescues. Whenever the time calls for it.Not bashing, just pointing this out. The game is pretty unbalanced, but everyone knows that.
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Genrush is a problem but he ######### up a lot.
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You mean the person without perks and add-ons got stomped? I would have never guessed. It's a challenge for a reason, I do believe. He generally does relatively decently in his games imo, though some of the plays in this one was a bit questionable. Feels a bit like bait to say "proof the game is unbalanced" for something like this.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Marth isn't a survivor main. He is/was a killer main. Don't know about the others. I agree that the game changed to the favour of killers. But with next "rush thyself" buff its going 2 steps back I guess
That doesn't change the fact that he and the others know how to play survivors extremely well and if he wasn't very good as a survivor Depip would've lost every game in the tourney.
Also the rush thyself bug just stop with that nonsense, that's a bug and it's already been stated IT'S NOT GOING LIVE. You lost any credibility with that one right there and I'm surprised @SenzuDuck didn't catch that.
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I dont like 1 fact.
Survivors dont need items and perks for every game.
Killer need addons and perks for every game.This is the reason, why killer doesnt have freedom for funny builds.
Wrong map + bad perks = genrush1
