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Why shouldn't i facecamp when i play killer?
seriously. why should i get stressed being looped for hours and applying non existant pressure because of healing when i can just sit on a hook and then grab another survivor to slug. it's literally so easy and it's a guaranteed 2k at the very least, if not more.
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Well for me personally, it is incredibly boring as killer to just stand around, doing nothing.
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This. If I was that frustrated with playing the game, I'd probably just quit cause standing there doin nothin sounds like a huge waste of my time and super boring.
My figgidy ass won't face camp even in the EGC when it actually makes sense because my toddler brain gets bored, let alone with 5 gens left...
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grabbing while unhooking is way more fun of a mind game than looping though. and it gives a bigger reward. you also don't get flashlight spammed in your face at every damn pallet and you get to interact with survivors all the time since eventually they all come like flies to the hook.
i literally get more kills than normal gameplay but with 10% the effort, plus i don't get bm'd as much.
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Dont play killer if you are like that less stress for you and others
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I mean, if they flashlight after a pallet... they're gaining about the same amount of ground as if they were just holding W and it's not hard to follow the scratch marks, they stay up for a little while after you get un blinded (however you want to say it)
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If survivors are rushing gens proxy camp the person you hooked to force second stage and hopefully the survivors will flock for you and then start trading and once they've been second staged they will be too scared to try anything risky and then usually the advantage is in your favour.
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to me camping is boring. If you want to camp , go ahead but if looping stresses you out i think its time to stop playing the game. You lose NOTHING in this game from a defeat. its a video game not your job.
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I mean, you do you. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to play normally.
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This.
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With healing being so op, you don't have to facecamp, tunnel and proxy sure, but face camping is just boring and gives you not many points.
You're more likely to catch more fish if you make it less obvious you're fishing.
Who are you playing Killer as? If looping is giving you issues try a different killer, Im a Huntress main and although im slow on loops, windows and pallets give me payback on loops.
If you've played her and struggle with hatchets get yourself a crosshair. Is plenty of programmes that allow you customise your pc desktop to give you a logo on it, i just have my logo as a crosshair.
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Play however you want and survivors can play however they want.
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I did this with sadako once I figured out she's trash. since she's undetectable you don't need to proxy camp cause the survivors will come straight away. once you get another victim you can wait till they die and they'll probably be at 3 gens at most, so you can play normally after that and they have no chance.
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Facecamping/camping only really works with killers with an instadown. Camping as a strat with any M1 killer is going to bring you nothing but pain and 4 man escapes. Bubba is really the only killer who can reliably camp and win, and that depends on the survivors being altruistic.
And it you really want to camp, that's your right, but unlike the other killer mortal sin (tunneling), it becomes less and less effective as the skill of your opponents goes up. If you climb mmr, you will see a lot more 3 man escapes even if you camp one to death.
And it may not matter to you, but camping will not earn you friends, and when you do lose, expect to get your nose rubbed in it.
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If you are playing just to sit in front of the hook to get kills why are u even playing in the first place, just go find a game that fits you instead of ruining and throwing games of other people that just want to have some fun. Killer now is stressful i got it, and is way i moved on to other games
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If he gets a kill ...
Besides, more often than not survivors will try a save.
Which reminds me I've not played a basement Bubba for a while. It'll be quite relaxing after the Nurse.
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I disagree with that, as someone who regularly wins while facecamping. All it takes these days is No Way Out + Rancor and you are golden. Facecamp for 4 gens, follow the obsession until the last gen is done, rancor them, and then collect a 3rd kill since NWO held the gates during the mori animation. Here's a guy who got to a 50+ streak facecamping post MMR.
Dead By Daylight | Professional MLG Facecamping 69 Live w/ Bubba - YouTube
I would argue that killer in general will never make you friends if you win. 12 hooks or facecamping, the salt will be the same.
Me? I do it because it's easy. And I don't care about survivors having fun. I have played enough killer that the care is totally gone.
And why limit yourself to just one? Camp AND tunnel to win. Doing both to the same survivor is a "Russian tech" now apparently but I just call it "playing to win".
It can get boring, but it's a tool in the arsenal. And all it takes is a few springwood/haddo offerings in a session before i'm legit done and start facecamping and tunneling everyone I can get my grubby hands on.
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Play an idle game or something.
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I suppose it comes down to preference, but I find camping boring, and I don't think it's all that effective as a primary strategy. As a combo strat? Sure. But if you start camping from the start and the surv team sees what you are doing and is good, they will hurt you for it.
I might camp in the EGC, or if the squad is bombing the hook (which isn't really camping at that point). But going into a game planning on camping from the start? Nah, not for me.
But most of the time, I am not a "play to win" guy, I can get competitive, but DBD isn't a game that reflects skill all that well, so I don't feel driven to win like I do in some other games. I only camp during the EGC, and only rarely tunnel (if I am feeling spicy and am losing and trying to pull a game back), and only slug to 4K if I have a tome challenge or the survs rubbed me the wrong way.
And yeah, the tribalism in this game is such that many are going to dislike you regardless, but not always, and if someone really, prolifically camps or tunnels, you file that name away for future reference.
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Eventually you'll get to a point where facecamping might not even get you 1 kill. From there, your MMR will be high enough, and your chasing skills underdeveloped enough, you'll lose a lot and get more and more frustrated. If looping stresses you out having hook saves and your loss rubbed in your face on a regular to semi-regular basis will feel worse.
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Play how you like.
But, are you only here to play for a certain number of kills?
Do you not enjoy the chase, pressuring gens, giving survivors hell?
Is getting outplayed, unfun for you?
Because, isn't that the point on both sides, sometimes you outplayed your opponents and sometimes, well, you got out played. However, you never learn nor enjoy the thrill of it all, if you're sitting under a hook.
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This dude just broke the survivor meta. You can't heal if you're already dead.
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he face camped 69 times nice
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Because...it's not fun? And you're just inflating your MMR while not actually getting better, leading to you hitting a hard wall later?
As a killer main, I'll camp strategically at times - but the only time I'll facecamp is when someone is really BM.
It's a tool in my belt, but one that I don't enjoy relying on - partially because it smells like cheese.
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Then what’s the point of playing this game if your gonna face camp at the very start. Good teams punish, you get no blood points or pips. I understand killer can be frustrating but not to the level where your not even moving. Plus facecamping at the start just leads to more toxicity. It’s just very boring. Your gonna outplay and be outplayed sometimes that’s just how it is.
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I dunno. I do it almost every game and I win most of them. You can watch Pro Vengeance camp/tunnel his way to 50+ winstreaks all the time. That's actually who I learned how to do it from.
I don't watch Otz but I refuse to believe he got those streaks playing for 12 hooks. You know he 100% "confirmed" some kills or was apologizing profusely to the survivor mains on his channel as he tunneled some people to win.
And we can agree to disagree. When I check my lobby and it's your usual bully SWF with 16x meta perks trying to finish all the gens in 4 minutes and then teabag and talk smack in the endgame chat. No, I don't feel bad about it. Not in the slightest. You won't ever win those games doing anything else unless you are spamming Nurse 24/7.
Playing nice at my MMR? You get the Truetalent experience when he tried to play nice against that tourny squad. Getting slapped and 4 man outed with 2-3 hooks lmao.
And really I don't mind doing it at all and honestly enjoy killing people first hook when I can, especially in the basement for the thematic part of it. That's just called efficiency.
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Hex get cleansed in the current meta. But you can't use your Boon on Hook. Unrewarding? Not in the slightest! My BBQ Stacks are maxed out
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Not to derail, but I don't think Otz ever claimed to go for 12 hooks all the time. That I think is more Trutalent's position, and they famously debated about it.
Tru likes to sanctimoniously preach about the 12 hook thing, but generally does poorly in challenges. I do not subscribe to the notion that killers should always strive for a nice even distribution of hooks, but I also will go a little out of my way not to drum people out of the game straight out of the gate.
And I have zero desire to play at top MMR, but those who do seem to play with a combination of camping and tunneling, I am more talking about dedicated camping being ineffective. Like I am going to find one surv, hook them and facecamp them to death and then do the same to the next sort of camping.
And I don't face as many sweaty bully squads because I will throw a few matches to lower my MMR when I start running into them with any sort of frequency. I don't play DBD to sweat (there are games I play with intensity, this is not one of them), I play for fun.
And tourney DBD is just horrible, imo. The least compelling version, imo.
Also, I take your word that you do well, but out of genuine curiosity, how does it go when you hook/camp someone and the rest of the team just leaves them to die and slams gens? How often does this happen? Does this even happen often, or are people too driven by altruism?
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Your skill must be beyond comprehension
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I mean like, go off king
no ones stopping you
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My policy is:
- Before 4 gens are done, everyone gets 2 hooked before I kill anyone, unless there is literally nobody else to chase and gens are exploding left and right.
- After 4 gens are done, I'll tunnel someone out.
- I'll camp during EOGC if there are at least 3 survivors left alive.
Generally I try not to eliminate anyone too early (I know how annoying it is as a survivor to waste your time on a match where you depip and get sod all BP because I got camped on the first down), but I'll make an exception for teabaggers and people who flick their flashlights.
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You should. It devs fault to not fix cheap tactics for both sides. We play vs random people, not vs friends, so both sides abuse Op broken stuff. Then the sides that lose often complain.
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Why shouldn't I go 4man SWF with a clicky-clicky flashlight with Dead Hard and BNP?
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Well it's not like I actually facecamp on most killers. That's mostly a Bubba thing. It doesn't really work on anyone else unless you are standing above the basement (is that even face camping though?) or got a hook on a hill with a killer like Huntress or Trickster. And even then it's 2k material unless you have a dedicated build for it. NWO / Rancor / Deadlock / etc etc is how you hard camp and actually get 3ks and 4ks.
I would say I more like proxy camp, id only actually be right next to the hook if they are like seconds before death or half state. Then ill probably be bodyblocking anyone running up rather than hitting them.
Typically the play is to 3 gen wherever your first hook is and then proxy camp. Usually ill make the run to the nearest gen to go pop it and get a hit or something. But then go straight back. In rough games I will have lost 2-3 gens before corrupt was even over for the first hook anyways so there might not be much else to do at that point. Especially on weaker killers. From there camping/tunneling is literally your only option to win. You switch targets and it's GGs. You might as well tunnel for the 2k at that point.
And honestly, depending on the killer it's not like you have a choice. When the survivors slam 3 gens before corrupt is over while someone drops god pallets against your M1 killer for your first chase and what else are you gonna do? It's crazy people think you have a choice. Unless your choice is to roll over and give the survivors a free escape. Games like those I usually consider a loss and legit facecamp and tunnel for the 2k cause it's not like I am gonna get much else done in the 1.5 minutes I have left.
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I understand when a game is going bad, but every game? How would you not get bored? You can’t get better if you don’t try.
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Really nothing, playing as basement huntress with insidious and trapping survivors are pretty fun.
No one said that, it's not your problem that game is broken and extremely unbalanced with SWF.
The more SWFs are dominant in this game, the more problem will be obvious, if anything everyone should only play SWF and stop playing SoloQ, so game will be made around that and BHVR don't have to care about "but soloq" argument.
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You'll never get better at killer by being completely reliant on facecamping.
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you're being dumb if you being looped for so much time. Try to change your target. it isnt cool for you (there's no fun to just stay stoped in front of a hook) and for the survivors. I know it is really stressed, but this is toxic, and people who do this are always hated
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So people shouldn't play killer if they want to win?
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Just play however you want without using cheats or exploits. I'm so sick of seeing these ######### topics constantly like you're some kind of victim
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Face camp is win to you?
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getting good at killer is pointless, it actively punishes you by matching you against cheaters and sweaty SWFs.
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You face cheaters, sure - but not that often. At least that you'll realize.
Getting good and facing correspondingly better players is...how a game is supposed to work, isn't it? Escalating challenge versus escalating difficulty? It wouldn't be much fun to get better at the game and just stomp people - would it?
Sweaty SWFs are annoying, but unless SBMM poops itself, if you are put up against a sweaty SWF, chances are that you're somewhat sweaty yourself.
I hate to say this - but yes.
As a killer, you have to get used to the fact that you aren't really there to 'win'. You are there to curate a fun, thrilling experience for survivor players. Unless you are a 5000 hour DbD god, you shouldn't be 4king regularly - if SBMM is working correctly.
Get used to 1-2 players getting away and you'll be happier.
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Not in this game, because it only reduces the gameplay diversity for one, the better you are, the less you can do, playing in strict way just to win is pretty unfun.
I think playing at low MMR while actually being on-par with low MMR survivors are the most fun way to play this game, playing at low MMR while being somewhat good is second, and playing at high MMR is not fun regardless of your skill.
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I love playing against noobs it’s so easy lmao
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Yes, the game at top level is insanely boring, and totally formulaic. Tournament play is mind numbing to watch, I can't imagine playing that way and enjoying it.
It's the same few killers and survivors running the same perks and all playing the exact same way, but at maximum sweat. It is not inspiring. Using a current comparison for example, I do not feel the same way abut PvP in the Soulsborne games. That tends to get more interesting as you scale up in skill. DBD doesn't, it just gets tedious.
I don't play at low MMR (I am pretty sure, I think), but I would rather play at the low end than the high end.
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Actual literal facecamping where you just stand at the hook is usually bad strategy. If the survivors aren’t coming to you then while you stand there for two minutes three or four gens can be done. And if the survivors are smart they’ll have one person come in at the last moment to do a hook trade, and now if you keep facecamping then all the gens are done, the doors are open and you still haven’t even eliminated anybody.
It’s better to, after you hook someone, go find another survivor to pressure off the gens and down. That way you have one on a hook, one being chased, one going for a rescue and only one survivor left for the gens. And if you manage to get a kill then the odds shift significantly in your favor since at that point if you have someone on a hook and are chasing someone else the last survivor has to choose between continuing on a gen and letting the hooked survivor die or going for the rescue but not progressing a gen.
That’s not to say zone defense isn’t useful. If you leave a hook and chase someone, but don’t get a down, there’s nothing wrong with headed back to the hook since by that point there’s a good chance someone will try for a rescue and you can get another hook out of it. And literal face camping can be useful in short bursts if the person on the hook has already been there a while and sticking around for a few seconds to make sure they die versus get a Hail Mary save can be worth it.
But no, literal facecamping as a general strategy is bad (on top of being pretty dull to do.)
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Ironically, by trying to get better at the game and get zero kills, you derank and thus don't face sweaty SWF's.
Facecamping on the other hand hands you a "2k or more" according to op. In my experience this is usually the case as well. In other words, you won't derank and in fact will rank up making the chances of going against sweaty SWF's much higher.
The only difference is, these sweaty SWF's probably didn't reach their position by being bad loopers and know how to handle themselves in chase. You on the other hand reached your ranking by standing still in front of hooked survivors so you'll have an even worse time catching these survivors as you hardly have any experience chasing survivors.
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I'm too good to actually achieve zero kills, so I do face sweaty SWFs unless I purposefully derank, kekw
And if you think you can't get good while facecamping, that's plain wrong anyway, since you do consistently kill more survivors and keep MMR high, you can learn much more than people who fought against bad survivors, results in more skill growth.
After all, if end results is same, but the effort is different, why pick harder way, that's pointless, And I don't believe even the best survivors can't deal with facecamping at all...
You know defending a hook still require some kind of skill, patience and intelligence? I suppose you don't because you've never met a determined anti-camping squad, lol
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You nailed it. Camping is now the most efficient way to get a kill. Take a Mori too, in case you get them to second hook and they do get rescued. Tunnel and eliminate the risk from DS.
Then when it's down to 3 Vs 1 it's a fair match.
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@cordonrouge I'm curious, how old are you?
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