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DBD to shows SWFs and those who cheat on comms
DBD still persist in not showing SWFs, leaving the community baffled why this isn't shown.
Many SWFs can be identified, some incorrectly.
To show the game in an ever improving balanced state the game should show SWFs.
SWFs who use comms tell themselves they do not cheat or have any unfair advantage with comms so can be asked if they are using comms when setting up the SWF lobby.
This will show the killer and other players how well they have done.
Once I could not believe how fast the gens were done when another survivor told me that they were cheating with hax's, this allows players to see why they lost and not having that question whether they played bad or if the game in the current state is just unbalanced
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Using comms is not cheating. You can't stop people from playing with their friends; BHVR just needs to balance around it.
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But they won't.
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Showing when your facing a swf isn't making it more balanced. All your doing is giving yourself an excuse why you lost or a reason to dodge before it starts.
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Using comms is not cheating, and seeing that a group is paired together doesn't actually mean they're using comms, let alone that those comms are actually going to be useful and strategic information instead of idle chatter.
It'd be a placebo, and maybe not even that. It really wouldn't give you any more info than you already have, since you should generally go into every match assuming that your opponents will play smartly.
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fellas is it cheating to use your vocal chords
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Honestly you can mostly counterplay comm teams at this point. There is enough passive regression and information given that, while it is still greatly advantageous and can be the difference in wins in losses, it's arguably not even the most offsetting feature; map design and DH are way more controversial and deciding in games. You just have to adapt when playing against SWF COMMS, meaning focusing someone out earlier and abusing altruism.
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you gotta be like those peeps on the island of silence, gotta sow gold barbed wire though your throats so you can no longer speak.
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Must be SWF on comms.
How dare you to play with your friends? 0-2 friends on steam are enough. Cheaters.
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if you really wanna play this game.....by all means i wouldnt ask them to remove comms....they might just remove more than they expect by doing so.
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If you want to be technical about it, comms provide access to information you aren’t supposed to have, so using them can certainly be considered cheating. Bare in mind, they are not a part of the game, you have to use third party software to utilise them, and the game is not balanced around them.
DBD is in many ways designed around limited access to information. In solo queue, or in a team without comms, one must utilise a valuable perk slot if they desire to alleviate this to a degree. With comms however, which I reiterate are not even a feature within the game itself, no perk slots are required, opening them up for powerful meta perks, whilst providing superior information than any combination of perks can attain.
In a way it can be compared to stretches res. The default FoV is there for a reason, and using stretched res provides you with information you aren’t supposed to have access to.
I get that people want to be able to have a laugh with their friends, and that not every comms user utilises them efficiently, and that BHVR fully endorses them despite refusing to incorporate comms into the game and are thus unable to balance around them, but it’s clear that third party software providing an in-game advantage unable to be replicated within the game itself through in-game features and/or mechanics, can certainly be considered cheating.
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He isn't asking BHVR to stop anybody from playing with their friends. He is asking BHVR to show who is playing with their friends. What's the harm in that?
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What if you communicate with your friends during the game but aren't utilizing third-party software? Is it still cheating if there are absolutely no programs or other tech being utilized?
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Swf is definately not cheating but one thing i wish they would change back is letting killers swap their choice if they see a swf join the lobby so they have a better shot at winning using a killer theyre more comfortable with.
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You mean it isn't? Geez, that would have saved me a lot of effort in school if I knew I could talk with people and share answers during tests. Oh well, live and learn.
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It would be to hard to show who is actually talking. Let's say they start to show discord. What if they just use Skype? Okay they start to show Skype, what if they have xbox accounts and talk through that while they play on PC? Or PS. Hell, if they are close enough they could just be on a group call. There would be no way to tell even if they started showing certain third party apps. There will always be a work around on communication to keep it secret if they really want to.
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Now darling there's a difference here. In tests, where it is against the rules, it is cheating. In the video game Dead By Daylight, where it is not against the rules, it is not cheating. Poor comparison, you tried, next attempt?
Man from the NOED thread to this one you're really not having much luck giving a decent point, are you?
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I get a giggle every time someone decides they know what's cheating better than the company who makes the game.
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nah you see what i think goes is actually what goes instead of what the people that decide what goes think goes. makes total sense i am the main character of the universe after all
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When is BHVR going to address the using the BP charm cheating?
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It's called legal cheating.
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Ohhh! So the problem isn't whether using your vocal chords is cheating or not, only if the rules set up by the devs say so. I got it now, thanks for explaining it.
Just one thing, if they were to say communicating with eachother is cheating, would that change it? Because it looked to me that OP was trying to argue that thing exactly, making saying something like "fellas is it cheating to use your vocal chords" just an attempt to avoid the actual argument he tried to make.
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Just please stop complaining about it already omg.
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Just one thing, if they were to say communicating with eachother is cheating, would that change it?
Objectively yes, as they decide what does/does not go within the video game that they created and they moderate. Shocker, that.
And therefore, in this context, the act of talking with one another is not cheating, whilst in another it is. Didn't think it was too difficult to comprehend but, there we go.
Though as a fallout to this, it would be instantly removed from Xbox stores, the overall playerbase would drop quite massively, and overall it would not be a smart business move.
Oh and- one last thing. Please don't call me "Karu"- GBK is fine, however Karu by itself makes me incredibly uncomfortable unless I'm close friends with the person first and if I were able to request a second name change I would. Been trying to improve on it but, for the moment, please don't use that. Thanks.
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That's the thing what they are using are third party programs and what most of us are arguing is not "Punish them for playing with friends" it's that BHVR seems to think it's ok for players to use third party programs to circumnavigate the way players are supposed to gather information during normal game play.
I have no problems facing a SWF team but I do have a problem when I would be using a perk like Dark Devotion where my TR is transferred to the Obsession and I do everything right to hide the stain and the person I'm sneaking up on is told I'm over by them using Coms and is gone before I get close.
Yes not everyone in a SWF uses Coms to do this and I HAVE faced SWFs that were fun and fair to go against.
BHVR saying they don't want to punish people for playing with friends is just a excuse. They would be punishing people for using a third party program that's not part of DbD itself. But I'm just a player and this is just my opinion, and we all know how much our "opinions" really matter in the long run.
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If they said it was, that'd be it. But they haven't. And they won't. And they literally have voice channels in the official discord just for SWFs.
The smug doesn't hit as good if you're wrong.
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there are already tox skins and flashlight dodgers. Now you want to throw THIS into the mix? At this point you might as well disable the killer role and have bots for them to survive against.
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I just asked because I live with the person I play with. We're physically sitting next to each other. But, there are absolutely no third-party programs or phones or even tin-cans-on-a-string being utilized. There is no other way for us to be situated in order to have our consoles hard-wired to the internet. Nice to know we're not cheating in the opinions of others, though.
(If it's any consolation, one of us is always on the Switch, which is about the biggest detriment a survivor team can be saddled with. I feel a little bad for the other two randoms in our lobbies, because we are a death sentence.)
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So, if someone would like to argue that the devs should rule that communicating is against the rules, what OP did was the way to go, wouldn't it? And talking about using vocal chords doesn't really add anything productive to that discussion, does it?
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"So, if someone would like to argue that the devs should rule that communicating is against the rules, what OP did was the way to go, wouldn't it?"
-Feedback section
Literally. There is a section. For feedback. Where the devs collect and look at feedback.
If you have feedback. Use the section. That is dedicated. To feedback.
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Yea that's why it's such a touchy subject. I for one don't want anyone to be punished for playing with friends. I for one don't know what they can do to help this except giving incentives or buffs to killers who face a full 4-man but that's a slippery slope in itself
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Me? Say something that could be an innuendo? Never ✨
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A post-game BP bonus would be nice. Given how little the killer-specific-MMR matters, it'd also be nice if we could return to being able to change killers in the lobbies.
The devs have stated they won't punish people for playing with friends, so that's not a thing that'll ever happen. (They have been clear that "punishment" includes buffs to killers and incentives for playing solo.) The most we can expect is information buffs for solo that provide little to no benefit for SWF and subsequent buffs for killers to balance it out.
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Not unless they show it was a SWF after the match. It's true SWF plays differently than Solo's and a coordinated survivor team is unbeatable. At least with this information you can improve.
Regardless showing SWF or not, Killers are still going to blame SWF for their losses, so show who's in a SWF to at least help the ones who don't.
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"would like to argue that the devs should rule that communicating is against the rules"
But they don't. And they won't.
Actually cope.
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Personally I don't mind showing whos in a swf after the match. People will still blame their loss on it being a swf but at least they won't dodge or dc during the match because the game is "unwinable". I just don't want it to be shown before the match.
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I don't agree mate sorry. I don't mind showing after the game who was in a swf since it'll help you understand certain things in the match but not before.
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BHVR already knows who's solo and who's SWF, and they have shared some info about how it affects balance. (They have admitted that SWF have a higher escape rate in high MMR by about 15%.) Showing the players who's SWF doesn't help the devs balance the game.
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Lobby dodging. Obviously.
I've said for years, reward killers for going up against swf. Show the swf groupings post game.
4 man swf 100 percent bp bonus
3 man swf 75 percent bp bonus
2 pairs of swf 50 percent bp bonus
1 pair of swf 25 percent bp bonus
Solo should probably have some sort of similar bonus as well.
Showing swf before the game would be a disaster for the game though. Post game, what's the harm?
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If you believe that swf is an advantage you are diminishing their win/ skill. Including a party icon eludes to an advantage.. you know the drill.
Asking if a team is SWF..
Enemies Made: Three
SWF Confirmed: No
Information Gained: Survivor propaganda
Including a Party Icon..
SWF Que Times: Much longer
Killers Mood: Better
Cost: Financial
The Entity is displeased
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Via the Game Rules section of the Forums
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