This is what happens when you cater to survivors too much

Playing Killer in Dead by Daylight is truly a difference experience than many other online team games.

You are solely responsible for each and every decision you make as Killer. This isn't League of Legends where you can say "My team sucked" or "Jungle never ganked". If you lost, it was because YOU (the Killer) played poorly.

Any enjoyment also has to be created by the Killer. There is no clear win condition for Killer. It is not concrete for survivor, but much more clear.

I say all of this because it's truly Killer's enjoyment of the game that is waning. Taking balance out of the equation, There are too many tedious things stacked against them to create their own enjoyment anymore.

Notice an uptick in face-camping? Directly a result of this.

Essay aside, I agree with you. I wouldn't use the word "cater", but all the enjoyable additions (lately) are Survivor based.

They have made the game truly miserable for killers. So long wait times..... suck it up.

The buffs are nice and appreciated but if they don't push the 2 killers into viable status then it changes nothing while coh is still a thing. It's a bone they threw at a hungry dog to keep him from starving but not to prosper. Just enough to keep PETA off bhvr's ass.

Remember when Hex+Undying was the only killer perk combo you saw in games? Remember when you could pop a gen with those perks?

BHVR said hey everyone is using that combo and it overperforms - let's nerf it. DH should have been buried into the ground a long time ago for the same logic.

After 5 years we got an admission that SWF gives you a 15% increased chance to escape. This goes against the rhetoric the devs gave us in year 1 : "SWF offers no advantage."

These two elements are probably the most broken and upsetting aspects of DBD right now (aside from EAC making it easy for h's to C).

I will give the devs credit because they saw Haddonfield was an abusive map and completely disabled it during the rework. I will remove any credit given if the map is not approximately 9000m². Why that size? Because most maps beyond that size make the game nearly impossible to play with any killer besides Nurse/Blight.

The buffs are appreciated however they don’t change many of the issues which make killer a chore to play for many people.

The majority of the roster is under tuned and outdated and although it’s improving slowly, many still have terrible addons.

Low and mid tier killers get nerfed occasionally.

Too many maps are survivor sided with overturned combinations of tiles and too many pallets.

Unlucky survivor spawns can put you on the back foot from the get go.

Hex totems frequently spawn either next to gens or out in the open rendering most of them weak and ineffective.

Survivors have access to too many second chance perks which either reward them for playing poorly, undo good plays that the killer makes or bad plays that the survivor makes.

CoH is overturned and makes already outdated and under tuned m1 killers even weaker whilst breaking the flow of the game in general by proving consistent free heals throughout the match.

So on so forth. As I said buffs and rewords are great, but it’s perfectly reasonable for killer mains to complain about a plethora of issues.

If you need any proof of how out-of-touch BHVR is in regards to killer's complaints just look at the map releases. Killers have been complaining about excessive map sizes for ages, and yet BHVR's newest map is like one of the largest, not to mention the one with the most verticality which screws up 90% of the killer roster.

They added survivor sided hit validation to DH, effectively buffing it, even though DH was already the most used exhaustion perk by a fair mile.

The freaking Ring chapter fell completely flat on its face because they deliberately released an m1 killer with no anti-loop smack in the middle of the CoH meta which makes hit and run completely not viable.

Because, in recent times, when survivors get buffs we see things Like COH and Boil Over that break the game and maps like the game getting unreasonable tons of pallets, Killers got 5% on the weakest killer in the game and 15 seconds on another contender. The killers will still be weak after, just not as weak. Meanwhile DH and CoH are running around.

Killers have 1 piece of sandwich bread and survivors have a fully stocked fridge, they give killers a peanut and give survivors a whole damn turkey. But sure the peanut makes everything ok.

Basically, just because they gave killers something doesn't mean nothing else matters.

Thats a very delusional yet unsurprising thing to see coming from you. You’ve always been a survivor extremist.

And you are just going to ignore 5 years of Survivor-Nerfs? And still think the Devs are catering to Survivors?

Survivors got nerfed A LOT over the years (and rightfully). But if the Devs would cater to them, they would not nerf certain things. In fact, CoH is the only newly introduced Survivor-Perk which was worth running after the release of David. Which was also years ago.

(Sure, they buffed things like Boil Over, but this did not make the Perk strong, just unhealthy...)

And yeah, I think Nerfs to all those Killers were justified. Deathslinger had insane zoning and at certain distances no real counterplay, because it is physically impossible to dodge the Shots in such a short amount of time. Wraith basically had 3 Add On-Slots due to build-in Windstorm, so nerfing the purple All-Seeing was justified (and it did not even change that much...). I disagree on the Speed-Nerf after uncloaking tho, however, it is not like Wraith is unplayable since then.

Spirit had no counterplay. Like, 0. She now got counterplay and still is an S-Tier Killer. It is just not possible to win chases instantly by using her power, which scared a lot of Killer players away from her.

Freddy was so braindead easy that my cat would be able to 4K with him on a reliable basis. His rework only make him an unfun experience, because he was really boring for both sides after the Rework, but just braindead to play. After removing the braindead Parts, the boring parts stayed. He is not weak by any means, but his kit is just flawed.

And Clown... Well, Pinky Finger deserved the Nerf because it was super-easy to get direct Bottle Hits after Clown did not slow down after throwing anymore. However, it did not change much, because the Add On is still a problem and Clown clearly deserved some more Love, because his most recent Buff did not really lift him up. But hey, we get Blight-Buffs basically every Midchapter (by those Devs who cater to Survivors!).

But I know, the Forum Killer Mains will now jump at me. Because how dare I say that Killers dont have it that bad.

You're right! But getting 4 hooks before the gates are powered, would be nice.

I fail to see the logic in your statement.

You say, that killer can be easier than survivor, depending on the survivors they go against. But the same could be said about survivor being easier depending on what killer they go against. Yes, this game is a 4vs1. Thus the 1 player who plays killer, should be at least as strong as the 4 survivors. Since the 4 players play as a team, their role should actually be harder. Compare it to a team project vs something that can be done by a single person. The team project is usually more complicated and thus requires more people assigned to it.

I´m not sure about which side you are talking, when you speak about having more variety + earning more bloodpoints while also being the easier role. I´d have to assume you mean survivors, but then the next part makes no sense. Since that would mean, that killers have long queues, because no one wants to play survivor, since its to rewarding?

If SB were stronger than DH, then SB would be meta and not DH. So don´t pretend like DH is a weaker SB.

You can’t say “killer buffs” when there’s different killers in the game?? It’s not “killer buffs” it’s legion and ghost face buffs, doesn’t affect anyone who doesn’t play these killers