If you're curious why survivors run DS

Perhaps, I just use it for Resilience.

Yeah, next 3 games, got camped again. It might be cause bbq has a counter now. They need to add more time on the hook or a perk to counter camping. Also the quality of survivors at rank 1 is just laughable. The ranking system is terrible. So many problems with this game I am so tempted to give up.

@Tsulan said:
So...
What's the reason to use DS?
I fail to see it.

Gives you more chances to survive in the event you get caught and no one can save you, since the killer is camping the ######### out of you.

@Master said:

@Sinner said:
Yeah, next 3 games, got camped again. It might be cause bbq has a counter now. They need to add more time on the hook or a perk to counter camping. Also the quality of survivors at rank 1 is just laughable. The ranking system is terrible. So many problems with this game I am so tempted to give up.

I seriously dont know what the communit expected.
Of course, if the BBQ anti-camping incentive is heavily nerfed, then of course this will affect camping

BBQ should have never been added in the first place. It created so many problems, like looping and gen rushing.
Yes I know many of you killer mains will laugh but I remember very well how the game was before and after BBQ.
Before, only toxic survivors looped and no one liked them. All non-looping survivors sided with the killers on the matter. There was no need for such tactic, the game was fine without it. I myself and other survivor mains were constantly sandbagging loopers to help the killer catch them and than calling them toxic in end game chat.
After BBQ, at rank 1, everyone was dying left and right, you had no room to breathe, no time to do gens. Nurses and Billies were flying all over the place from one survivor to another. You had one hooked, one chased and one or two rushing to save, while one or no one was doing gens. The only games where we managed to survive was when we had a toxic survivor in the group that looped the killer. So survivors soon realized that is what they have to evolve into. I mean, even truetalent started doing it, which was the head of the anti-looping campaign, back when it was considered toxic.
Same with gen rush. There was no more time to go search chests, cleanse totems, have a varied gameplay, like sabo'ing, body blocking. No, spawn, go straight to repairing, nothing else. Otherwise it's game over.
This was the case only with billy and nurse, for other killers it didn't change much. But rank 1 was only billy and nurse at that time. And rank 1 dictates the gameplay so eventually everyone started doing it.

BBQ is the most awful thing that they could have added to this game for both killers and survivors. There were so many other options to stop camping.

@Tzeentchling9 said:
BBQ caused Looping and Gen rushing? God, just when you thought you'd seen it all. The LOL button getting removed was a tragedy.

That's all you can say? Contradict my arguments or else you will look stupid.

@Tzeentchling9 said:
Sinner said:

@Tzeentchling9 said:

BBQ caused Looping and Gen rushing? God, just when you thought you'd seen it all. The LOL button getting removed was a tragedy.

That's all you can say? Contradict my arguments or else you will look stupid.

Your arguments contradict themselves. Pallet Looping has been a problem since LONG before LFs release and Survivors never just farted around instead of doing gens.

I haven't said it wasn't a problem. Quite the contrary, I mentioned there were survivors the likes of Ochido that were considered toxic and looped. Than, out of a sudden, few weeks after Leatherface release, everyone started doing it. Did you even bother reading everything I said?

I expected you guys will come here laughing. Because you either weren't playing back than, or you just started and you didn't understand the game dynamics yet, either not playing billy or nurse at rank 1, either not playing survivor at rank 1. That's why you have no knowledge on the matter. I do, since I was playing survivor at rank 1 and I remember very well how the game changed.

@Tsulan said:
So...
What's the reason to use DS?
I fail to see it.

Gives you more chances to survive in the event you get caught and no one can save you, since the killer is camping the ######### out of you.> @fluffybunny said:

With the buff to Prove Thyself and the nerf to BBQ, expect more camping. Often when the killer doesn't have momentum (3 gens go off and they finally down someone), they resort to camping either for momentum or to insure a kill. If you're chased that long, your goal is to lose the killer, not to continue looping him. Cut eyesight, pretend to go one way, then go the other. If you're being chased that long, they're bound to camp you.

What rank are you btw? That could also be an issue. If someone is mismatched, they may decide to punish that. If you've really been playing since the beginning, you shouldn't be bullying newer players. Though I'm doubting that because of this post:

@Sinner said:
Yeah, next 3 games, got camped again. It might be cause bbq has a counter now. They need to add more time on the hook or a perk to counter camping. Also the quality of survivors at rank 1 is just laughable. The ranking system is terrible. So many problems with this game I am so tempted to give up.

You mean Borrow Time? It's a Bill teachable. They've also tweaked it so that when you're farmed off the hook, the killer can't hit you before you can move.

What rank am I ? It's in the text you quoted. Also ppl don't use BT anymore since it got nerfed like 3 times. They wont use it since it doesn't protect the unhooker. And you can't loop nurse. Did you only read the title or something?

@fluffybunny said:

@Sinner said:

@Tsulan said:
So...
What's the reason to use DS?
I fail to see it.

Gives you more chances to survive in the event you get caught and no one can save you, since the killer is camping the ######### out of you.> @fluffybunny said:

With the buff to Prove Thyself and the nerf to BBQ, expect more camping. Often when the killer doesn't have momentum (3 gens go off and they finally down someone), they resort to camping either for momentum or to insure a kill. If you're chased that long, your goal is to lose the killer, not to continue looping him. Cut eyesight, pretend to go one way, then go the other. If you're being chased that long, they're bound to camp you.

What rank are you btw? That could also be an issue. If someone is mismatched, they may decide to punish that. If you've really been playing since the beginning, you shouldn't be bullying newer players. Though I'm doubting that because of this post:

@Sinner said:
Yeah, next 3 games, got camped again. It might be cause bbq has a counter now. They need to add more time on the hook or a perk to counter camping. Also the quality of survivors at rank 1 is just laughable. The ranking system is terrible. So many problems with this game I am so tempted to give up.

You mean Borrow Time? It's a Bill teachable. They've also tweaked it so that when you're farmed off the hook, the killer can't hit you before you can move.

What rank am I ? It's in the text you quoted. Also ppl don't use BT anymore since it got nerfed like 3 times. They wont use it since it doesn't protect the unhooker.

So you fought a bad nurse at rank 1...? Just because you mention rank 1 and complain about how much it sucks up there, doesn't mean you were playing in that rank and being camped. I've found killers at the higher ranks to be better at playing the game and not needing to resort to tunneling and camping as they recognize when to give up on a chase and come back. BT shouldn't affect the unhooker. It's borrowed time for the camped, not a free save. The recent nerf was actually a buff, I do believe, as you can mend yourself even if you don't have SC and it doesn't go down if you're being chased. The biggest issue with it was that it was bugged and didn't work if the person unhooking was downed.

I didn't complain about how much it sucks, I complained that I got camped while having no bm and using No Mither. I mean to camp someone with No Mither... it seems so weird, at rank 1 and with a nurse as well. Felt ouf of place. Regarding BT, yes it was buffed recently. People still don't use it, because it's only effective in well coordinated SWF groups. In solo play if you use it, you just end up on the hook yourself, so they just prefer to do gens and let the guy die. Well, that is best case scenario. Most of the times they stay crouched behind a nearby tree, waiting for the guy to die, hoping the killer will ######### move eventually. So yeah, BT is only useful when people use it, but they don't.

@fluffybunny said:

@Sinner said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Sinner said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Sinner said:

@Tsulan said:
So...
What's the reason to use DS?
I fail to see it.

Gives you more chances to survive in the event you get caught and no one can save you, since the killer is camping the ######### out of you.> @fluffybunny said:

With the buff to Prove Thyself and the nerf to BBQ, expect more camping. Often when the killer doesn't have momentum (3 gens go off and they finally down someone), they resort to camping either for momentum or to insure a kill. If you're chased that long, your goal is to lose the killer, not to continue looping him. Cut eyesight, pretend to go one way, then go the other. If you're being chased that long, they're bound to camp you.

What rank are you btw? That could also be an issue. If someone is mismatched, they may decide to punish that. If you've really been playing since the beginning, you shouldn't be bullying newer players. Though I'm doubting that because of this post:

@Sinner said:
Yeah, next 3 games, got camped again. It might be cause bbq has a counter now. They need to add more time on the hook or a perk to counter camping. Also the quality of survivors at rank 1 is just laughable. The ranking system is terrible. So many problems with this game I am so tempted to give up.

You mean Borrow Time? It's a Bill teachable. They've also tweaked it so that when you're farmed off the hook, the killer can't hit you before you can move.

What rank am I ? It's in the text you quoted. Also ppl don't use BT anymore since it got nerfed like 3 times. They wont use it since it doesn't protect the unhooker.

So you fought a bad nurse at rank 1...? Just because you mention rank 1 and complain about how much it sucks up there, doesn't mean you were playing in that rank and being camped. I've found killers at the higher ranks to be better at playing the game and not needing to resort to tunneling and camping as they recognize when to give up on a chase and come back. BT shouldn't affect the unhooker. It's borrowed time for the camped, not a free save. The recent nerf was actually a buff, I do believe, as you can mend yourself even if you don't have SC and it doesn't go down if you're being chased. The biggest issue with it was that it was bugged and didn't work if the person unhooking was downed.

I didn't complain about how much it sucks, I complained that I got camped while having no bm and using No Mither. I mean to camp someone with No Mither... it seems so weird, at rank 1 and with a nurse as well. Felt ouf of place. Regarding BT, yes it was buffed recently. People still don't use it, because it's only effective in well coordinated SWF groups. In solo play if you use it, you just end up on the hook yourself, so they just prefer to do gens and let the guy die. Well, that is best case scenario. Most of the times they stay crouched behind a nearby tree, waiting for the guy to die, hoping the killer will [BAD WORD] move eventually.

In the post I mentioned, you complained about the quality of rank 1 survivors. It's important to recognize why you were camped, though. You looped them for three gens. By that point, you should be looking to shake off the killer. If you're having troubles 'cause you're the first one found, I would suggest either bringing a perk to help avoid the killer or to wait a bit before you get onto a gen. SB is another crutch perk, too, and puts the chases in your favor as long as you can avoid the killer getting close enough to hit you. People do use BT from time to time in solo matches. If you get the unhook while the killer isn't paying attention or while the killer is away from the hook, it won't be as much of an exchange. I know what you mean, though. I wish people would punish the camping rather than feed into it and waste time.

Darling, you can't loop nurse. And I couldn't lose her either. Trust me I tried. It's very scary to have a nurse for so long on your ass, while using No Mither.

Yeah, nurse works a bit different, but you ran her around for so long. That's my point. You wasted a lot of time and she had next to no pressure due to you being able to run her so long. If she got that high with low skill, she probably had NOED, too, and relies on it regularly. Breaking LOS is even more important for nurse. Buildings are you friends since she needs to guess where you went.

Yeah that's how I kept dodging her for 3 gens, breaking los. But you know scratch marks right?:)
I don't know why I keep having the feeling you're talking to me like I am a noob. I have 2031 hours and am rank 1, so I know a few things.

Why you hijack my thread? I am entitled to my own topic of conversation.