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vote system to cancel a match?
im tired of AFKs give us an option to vote and just forfeit the match... just like if a survivor DCs within the first minute... the match is ruined...
WIth voting i dont mean whenever they want im talking about a DC within the first 15 20 sec of a match not like mid game
EDIT* since some of you keep saying it will be abused you can have it after 1 person disconnects meaning that someone HAS to for the option to even pop up and overwatch has it, cs has it during warmups etc.
"votes will be biased" yes but if a survivors disconnects that favours the killer doesnt it? 1 less player IS HUGE, and you can give the killer a 5000bp reward for sitting in the queue just because
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A SWF is salty they’re losing so they decide to vote for the match to end. Yeah I don’t think this is a good idea.
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It wouldn’t work if a swf could just force end whatever match they wanted. It would only be a good idea if, for example, a survivor is afk and the other 3 survivors + the killer all agree to end the game. There’s pretty much no way to prevent misuse of it without making it never happen unless the killer allows it to.
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Should only be an option if a player disconnects. Then again, killers can either farm (everyone wins) or just pummels the remaining survivors for there own gain.
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Anything vote wise will be biased due to the nature of the game.
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i do get that but if you have 1 dc at the start of the game that favours the killer... dont you think its fair for the survivors to vote if they want to continue and lose 997/1000 times?
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yea but like first 30 sec if you lose at that points its not even a big deal
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im talking about the first 30 sec of the match which i didnt type out and clarify i thought people would understand since i wrote a DC "within the first minute"
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And what is with dc on first down after 1.07 minutes?
Or dc on first hook after 2.03 minutes?
I really understand that as i had games like this today. And that is super annoying.
The problem is that this system won´t work. Sad enough.
I hate that people dc all the time when something goes wrong. No sportsmanship at all.
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Of the 20 games I've played, probably half had had someone suicide on first hook or DC.
Sad state of affairs. Most of these games have been competitive too. It's not like we've been getting curb stomped. Like if you can't handle a tiny bit of adversity, maybe don't play a pvp.
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They pummel 9/10 though. So it's just a guaranteed depip most of the time. Oh well, so it goes.
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How to make every nurse and blight go back to stay in queue for hours basically, I'd love it
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Great idea I’m sure this wouldn’t be abused at all!
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i mean yea but whatever you could make it so it only works if a teammates DCs within the first 15 20 sec since there is no point in wasting 5 minutes of your life on a almost guaranteed loss + you can give the killer a 5000 bp award or something i mean 5000 is not much but its something
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a dc after 2 minutes is 3 gens so that shouldnt be a problem a dc after 1 minute is pretty much 3 gens too
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Should I copy paste my answer from your thread from yesterday or just link the thread itself?
Since that was the same topic but instead of a vote for canceling a trial it was "please give free DC without penalty after someone else DCs first".
Will you post a third version of the same tomorrow? And at what point is opening threads everyday about the same thing considered spamming?
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No not at all. Because what's to stop a team from voting after they start losing. A DC doesn't constitute a stalemate between either side.
Whats to stop one survivor from taking one for the team, so that the other three can disconnect?
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well how much can happen during 15 seconds at the start? almost nothing....
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sure today i thought about making a post for every game i got hook camped but that would be like 20 posts a day so meh...
but that was a complaint this is a isch solution / attempt at a solution... never had any Dc problems when i played back in 2016 or 2017... no one gives a f about the 5 minute cooldown... thats the problem
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From every game I've played, DCs are more common midgame. Not 15 seconds in. At the start of the game, sure not much can happen. But a vote system will be abused, and most DCs happen later than the immediate start of a game.
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Could see that being a major issue, unless they make it so swf can’t veto.
Would be nice to end a match early if someone dcs though, or have a bot replace them or a drop in system, usually the match is a loss if someone dcs early in and it just feels like a massive waste of time.
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yea but you can have the voting only the first 20 sec of a match and stuff like only if a survivors DCs etc. and you can throw the killer a 5000bp just because they had to queue
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yea but if its midgame they have atleast done something hopefully those are also frustrating but if they loop 1 minute go down and DC thats 60 sec on hopefully 3 gens which takes 80sec to comeplete... if they DC at the start its a 1v3 5 gens 1 in chase so 2 people on gens if you hook someone and chase someone thats 0 people on gens... its very hard to win a 3v1
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That seems more fair if it’s only early in the game, only triggers if someone dcs and not swf.
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Yes but I'm saying what's to stop a team from just deciding to quit early to avoid dealing with certain killers?
Midgame or early game its still unfair to the killer, and they're not the reason there's a DC. That'd be on the survivor who left. Fair or not it'll only encourage skipping a game to avoid possibly harder games. It may be hard but it's nowhere near impossible. How would want bhvr to fix it so it can't be abused?
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If it only works after 15 to 20s id like it. Hate being in that situation bc you either farm or dc or kill quickly, and none of those are satisfying to me if i want to have an actual match.
Usually i just go skybilly if that happens.
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well nothing but then 1 has to dc...? and they that team has to wait 5 minutes... minimum... what stops them all 4 from dcing and STILL waiting 5 minutes? nothing... + they could increase the DC so it isnt 5 minutes because now if i want to leave i can dc go to the kitchen get a drink go back and the cooldown is over...
+ they can just suicide on hook so i dont get ur point...
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My point was it's inherently flawed. The DC time penalty isn't that bad, so figure you a group of four, they have four chances to just vote and say hell nah after one DC. Dying on hook is completely up to that one survivor and it offers absolutely no benefit. The way you worded it, you only would need one DC to vote for an end to the match.
In the case of a voting system it would, because the rest of the team can just get a do-over. That's unfair to the other side of the playerbase, killers. But if you involve killers in the vote, I don't honestly know how often they'd vote to end it.
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Yea it has it flaws because as you said why would a killer vote to end a 3v1? its almost always a free win... And i do think the DC penalty is bad 5 min for a starter i think it should be 15 or 20 (option to rejoin within 2 min and have a bot take over which might be something in the future idk... since we do have bots in the tutorial like they dont have to be good but)
And as you said a swf could "abuse" it by having one person dc and then cancel at the start and they could leave 4x as many matches since only one has to take on for the team... And well i dont think there is a good way to solve that it is what it is... but for those cases where there are 4 randoms and you have one person instantly disconnecting instead of waiting 3 4 minutes to die you could just skip it but as with everything it has it ups and downs :)
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No, too easy to abuse.
For DCs, the bots is the only good option. (Well, there are others like popping a gen automatically to offset somewhat but I don't know if it's a good one.)
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but i still dont get how its abused if it only applies to DCs within the first 15 sec?? its not like your going to ######### up that hard in 15 sec... hell 15 sec is not even enough for the killer to start a chase with you maybe if its a blight or hillbilly....
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Don't like the map? The killer? Poof.
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Surrender should be an option, for example of survivors are losing and they vote all for surrender, then game ends, and they lose and killer win. That's fair
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I think a system like this would be fine. When I want out of a match now, due to real world obligations, impossible to win (1 dead, 1 dc, and 5 gens left, etc), or RPD map, then I just run straight to the killer and then lead them to a hook where I wait.
The voting system even in the hands of a swf, would work like a resignation in chess. You lose graciously, admitting the other player is going to win. Grant the other side 10k bloodpoints to make it worth the time, and end the match immediately, and let everyone get back to more fun matches.
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I think bonus bloodpoint bad idea, could be abused.
But yes this is my point if everyone want to surrender, should be an option
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Youve gone from 1 minute, to 30 seconds, now to 15. To me that's a sign of how broken the overall idea really is.
Yes it sucks when people DC, but if you have to shorten the time for the "fix" to the first 15 or even 30. seconds of a match? Then the only ones that will occur is when a swf doesn't like the map/killer, so one immediately leaves and the rest vote to end, meanwhile the killer is completely overruled because they're solo, making it feel like they are being forced, since it won't matter which way they vote.
In my experience survivors who are prone to quitting do so after they've been downed the first time, which generally takes longer than 30 seconds.
There are two ways to do a vote. Either every player gets 1 vote, meaning the killer loses every single vote because they're only 1 person. Or each side gets a vote, which is a recipe for neverending stalemate. Neither sounds like a particularly fun time to me.
Personally I'd much rather they just do what DbD mobile already does, and have bots replace disconnected players, at least that way there's still a game, and nobody feels bullied because they got outvoted and didn't have a chance.
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Nah, survivors will abuse it. Even if you only make it an option after someone disconnects, a SWF can alternate disconnects and they can force matches to end any time games don’t go their way or they face a killer they don’t like. A five minute ban is much quicker than playing a match.
It could only work if the killer vote is mandatory. So the killer has to vote yes for the match to end.
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But for how long would you want them to be able to vote for? Will it only trigger after a DC in the first minute?
A 3v1 isn't as impossible as you're making it out to be. It doesn't almost always guarantee a free win.
Side note, why did you put quotes around abuse? That's exactly what that would be, abusing a game mechanic. The bots might be an idea, but I feel it could be unfair to survivors, depending on how well the AI are built.
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Actually we already have a sort of voting system for maps, in the form of offerings......It can be up to 4v1 each game.
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I said if they do within 15 - 30 sec i still find 1 minute no big deal. Im just telling that says it's gonna be abused that it's only made for the first 30 sec so if you have a insta DS that's the whole point... yall are the one complaining about 1 min even 30 sec...I think 1 minute i just fine like the match has barely started but well sh*t can happen in 1 min and a bad start might lead to the survivors cancelling so maybe 30 sec is more appropriate...
Ur taking everything LITERALLY im just giving suggestions to people saying it's "to long"
another option would be removing the dc penalty since people obviously doesn't care... but well blight, twins and nurses would be dodged
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Im not saying its impossible but its VERY hard compared to 4v1...
IT doesnt have to be anything advanced pretty much like every other game that has it someone leaves but instead of calling a vote a small window can pop up on the right side with 3 boxes and you press like f1 for yes f2 for no, when someone votes a green tick appears in one box and if someone votes no its a red cross or something like that. If the vote gets a majority the match is cancelled and the killer can be given 5000 bp or something since they couldnt vote.
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yes but the problem with that is well 99% of all killers would vote no and take an almost guaranteed win
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+ tons of other games have it without abuse i've played competitive competitive cs with similar options NEVER been abused (now i know its not really the same thing since you face different killer in dbd with differnet powers)... And once again double the DC penalty or something so peopel only disconnect if they actually have to go and a SWF would STILL HAVE TO WAIT 10 minutes for a match after DCing
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well someone would have to DC for that... and people literally do that now. it wont really change anything... if someone DCs the game is often dead its very hard to win as survivor and why should i have to play a 5 minute game thats a pretty much guaranteed loss because my teammate leaves?
AAHHH YESSSSSS THE 3k Bp<33333333333333 stonks
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It's really not that massively different. The killer has it slightly easier focusing on only 3 as opposed to 4, but you still get to a 3v1 in the game normally. It's definitely not braindead, but I wouldn't say it's that bad.
1. You're completely denying an actual vote on the opposing side which renders the killers opinion useless. For as much as you admit it can be abused, you're consistently offering more ways to do so.
2. Idk what you're getting per game, but I usually get way more than 5k, and that's even with 1k games. 5k isn't worthwhile at all.
3. I'd still like to know a more concrete idea on how late this can be called in-game? You've changed the time a few times.
All around, it's a flawed idea because of the nature of the game.
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Yes, it's difficult to read into what is figurative and what is literal in text.
You must not have played before the DC penalty. Suffice to say, it got nuts. I think I went a whole month without Playing a full game that nobody disconnected in.
Yes. Tons of other games, where each side has the same amount of players, are able to institute a voting system. That's kind of my point though. Voting only works when both sides are equal. In DbD, by design one side is always a single person, and therefore would lose Every Single Vote. That's just plainly not fair to the team of 1, and no effort to balance it out wouldn't create more unfairness on one side or the other.
It's interesting that you are able to see how voting would fail if it's the killer who ultimately gets to decide, instead of the survivor team (who again would win Every Single Vote by the nature of there being at least 2 more survivors than there are killers voting.)
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And there's nothing wrong with that. But there is something wrong with "oh hey it's Nurse/Blight/Bubba/Pinhead/Forever Freddy or "killer has Ruin" and hey one of us will DC and we will cancel the match.
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Just inject bots when a player DCs.
Having a bot is a LOT better than having nobody anyhow. It's better for everyone to earn as many BP as possible with a bot than to force everyone to vote - get frustrated - perhaps quit and re-que.
Having a bot take over is a lot more attractive than having everyone go to a vote and have a miniature trial to waste time kicking back to the back of the playing line.
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