Request to some of the SWF out there

Or even someone in KYF to test, I'm curious too.

Master said:

@Warlock_2020 said:
As has been shown in earlier posts, if you use the same setup without Prove Thyself, the time difference is less than 10 seconds. If you load up a group with prove thyself, toolboxes, and addons and team up 3 on every gen (can't get four on every gen), then take it off and do it again, there is roughly a 33 second difference for the entire map.

I've seen gens done in 30 seconds before Prove Thyself ever got changed. I've seen 3 gens pop just over a minute or so in the game as Trapper as well.

If 4 people are on one gen for the whole map, the killer is failing horribly.

Yeah the killer should have just applied map pressure and patrolled the gens, just a pitty that they can knock out one in 10 secs

@Master said:

@ThGameIsHardButSoAmI said:
people are freaking out but do you guys realize:
-they are all using 4 perks to do gens (no decisives, dead hard, BT etc)
-perfect conditions (4 tokens of stake out, killer staring at them with spine chill, all injured with relience and this is not happening)
-how many generators do you know with 4 slots?
-they all have the bnp addon

• if the killer has discordance he can aply pressure in all 4 survivors at once (if its a legion or a doctor even worse) even if he doesnt get there in time to prevent the gen from popping

i'm not saying "it's totally balanced" or "git gud" but the reactions give the impression that you are worried that survivors are just gonna hop on every generator and do it in 10 seconds every single game

here you go with normal toolboxes, no BNP
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/ait1nv/new_fastest_generator_repair_possible_as_of_patch/

yeah, still pretty fast but all the other perfect conditions still aply, the bnp was the least impactfull one.
and again, i'm not defending this or saying that it is fine, just clarifying some things

Everyone in here complaining about that "sub 10 seconds gen" yea, no crap it's going to be sub 10 seconds when they're all using BNPS.

You know guys 25% x 4 = 100%

I can't remember the last time I had 2+ BNPs in a match, let alone 4xBNPS, 4 Injured Survivors W Resilience, Running 4 Tool Boxes + Spine chill with the killer looking at them, prove thyself & this is not happening.

You guys reacting like 4 BNPs is common, let alone all other perfect conditions for this to even happen.

OMEGALUL

@weirdkid5 said:
I'm fine with this, if you fix junk like this then fix Mori's and stuff like that. There's too many outliers in this game for it to ever be properly balanced.

And I'm not moving any goalpost, it's not like this isn't nearly just as effective with 3 people, having 1 guy distract the Killer. It's already common knowledge that looping is the best way to waste time, and a Killer who drops his chase realistically isn't doing himself any favors, as he just wastes more time and lets the Survivor he's chasing heal. Even with 3 people, you'd maybe lose 5 seconds or so? It's completely negligible.

Like I said, just because someone got some good perks or good addons from the RNG bloodweb doesn't mean that they should be allowed to do the things that are possible. This includes Killer Mori's and such.

I would hardly call this anywhere close to being an outlier.

BNPs are rare on the bloodweb and are a one use item only, they only do 25% of a gen. I would have agreed with you before the nerf but they're simply too rare in matches to even consider in my opinion.

while I don't use BNPs because I don't like them, I don't think balancing the game around an occurrence this rare is ridiculous.

thesuicidefox said:

Regarding the video they have BNP's. Technically speaking you could have done a gen that fast before if you had 4 players with BNP on a gen like that.

There was a video floating around where they use Spine Chill, PT, Resil, and a purple toolbox. Did the gen in about 15 seconds. But it requires the killer to cooperation. The fastest a gen could realistically be done in an actual game is probably something like 30 seconds.

If you use Engineer's Toolbox (25%) with Socket Swivels (15%) and Mint Rag (10%), it'll increase your repair speed by 50%.

Add one Prove Thyself to that for an individual 20%, assuming you push through the gens as trio while one is busy with the Killer.

This gives them a repair speed of 3.8 c/s which results in a repair time of ~21s for a single gen in a very realistic scenario, leading to a total required gen repair time of ~105s for 5 gens.

However, what I don't understand:
Why are people all of a sudden discussing this in relation to the latest patch? Prove Thyself doesn't have such a big impact regarding repair times, the numbers I provided were already possible before that patch if the Survivors used old Leader.

...or am I missing something? I must admit, I didn't read through all the patch notes as I'm pretty much done with DbD.

@Master said:

@SenzuDuck said:
Everyone in here complaining about that "sub 10 seconds gen" yea, no crap it's going to be sub 10 seconds when they're all using BNPS.

You know guys 25% x 4 = 100%

I can't remember the last time I had 2+ BNPs in a match, let alone 4xBNPS, 4 Injured Survivors W Resilience, Running 4 Tool Boxes + Spine chill with the killer looking at them, prove thyself & this is not happening.

You guys reacting like 4 BNPs is common, let alone all other perfect conditions for this to even happen.

OMEGALUL

https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/ait1nv/new_fastest_generator_repair_possible_as_of_patch/

This also means nothing, this setup would never happen in game, give it a rest.

Let me run iridescent head, ebony mori and pretend that's how every killer match goes, jfc.

@Master said:

The difference is that you can actually bring a toolbox and perks every game, but you cant bring ultra rare addons and offerings every game

Hmmmn maxed out killer either enver prestiges or already prestiged and spends bp only on that killer so never runs out.

I ran into a Huntress a few season back on Red Forest 6 games in a row I faced them and 6 games in a row they had iri plus infantry belt plus Black Ward. I asked them if they were ever going to run out and they said they still had a stockpile of 19 each but they were earning so much bp they never got lower.

On my spirit before I decided to burn through them I had over 40 each of her ultra rare and close to 50 each of her very rares. But I was earning so much bp I could keep stockpiling them and that didn't include the 50 or so black wards I had.

So yes you can ring ultra rare addons and offerings every game.

@Master said:

Exactly, you spend thousands of hours until you stockpile 50 of such. But thats exactly what I was saying, you cant do this every game because you lose your stuff every game and need to spend absurd amount of BP for it.

I never had an issue though earning way more bp though and getting my items back to the point I finally stopped spending bp on her. Had I kept going I'd have close to 500 each of those items instead of spending that bp on other toons.

If you throw in 1.5 or 2x bp events it's insane how much bp you earn to the point you're stockpiled for months if you blow it all on your main.

@PiiFree said:

@powerbats said:
I never had an issue though earning way more bp though and getting my items back to the point I finally stopped spending bp on her. Had I kept going I'd have close to 500 each of those items instead of spending that bp on other toons.

If you throw in 1.5 or 2x bp events it's insane how much bp you earn to the point you're stockpiled for months if you blow it all on your main.

Let's also keep in mind that Survivors won't even lose their items / add-ons if they manage to escape, which let's gen rush squads push through many matches before they actually lose their Engineers toolboxes with Socket Swivels and Mint Rags

Most Survivors have ONE main survivor in which they put most BPs while most Killers frequently rotate and therefore have to level up and spend points on ALL of them to get good add-ons, on top of ALWAYS losing them whenever they use them.

I play 2 survivors usually sometimes a 3rd and 4th and I have stuff spread across all of them due to lobby dodging if there's too many of 1 character in there whether they've got items or not. Most lobbies there's lucky to have more than 2 items equipped due to all the dodging and that predates this latest patch.

But none of them has as much stuff stockpiled as my killers do when I'm playing the same one or 2 all the time and I can equip Franklins and the survivors aren't keeping those items.

If you get Franklin'd then your item is usually taken by another survivor especially if they see it's a good one or you die without a white ward.

Now lets be honest gen rush squads while they exist aren't the norm with the 4 tb nonsense like the video where the killer is working with those people to proc it.

Also most killers play a few killers and aren't forced to spend points on the rest once they get perks unlocked especially for the ones that have everything already P3'd.

@PiiFree said:

I can only speak for myself, I'm a Meg main, 90% of the matches are played as Meg, therefore most of the BPs go into her since I P3 the others already. I have hundreds of items and add-ons, I'm 100% certain that I will NEVER run out of them EVER. It's impossible. As Survivor, you can also find good items and add-ons in chests to increase your stock for free.

On top of that I play solo and have an escape rate of at least 70%, which means I'd only rarely actually lose my items.

As Killer, I obviously also have tons of add-ons but the difference is that I know for sure that I WILL lose them when I use them, which is why I am a lot more careful with them. An ultra rare add-on such as Iridescent head means that I spend 8'000 bloodpoints to get an advantage for that specific match and then it's gone. There is no way to get add-ons other than buying them from the bloodweb, I can't farm or steal them during regular gameplay.

Yes, 4x toolbox gen rush squads or cancerlight squads are rare because Survivors are somewhat empathic and realize how broken it is, but not because it's hard to get the items or add-ons to do so. For Killers, it's pretty expensive to constantly use good stuff.

I can agree with a lot of this but like I said before I've run into other killers that are so well stockpiled it's not even funny and like Umbra_Bug who only plays huntress she's never running out.

During one event just farming with Spirit i got over 3 million bp or so and could've had more if I'd been playing more and hadn't given up some trying to farm with ppl that took advantage.

I used to play Meg pretty consistently but like I said i've had to have a stable of 4 toons to pick so killers won't dodge. Which is funny because you could play like bill for instance and still have the exact same meta perks they hate.

But unlike survivors ultra rares the killer gets multiple uses out of them during a trial and is guaranteed to be able to do so. The survivor has to actually escape and escape with their item and it only takes one camper or tunneler or mori and it's goodbye items and addons.

@PiiFree said:

@powerbats said:
But unlike survivors ultra rares the killer gets multiple uses out of them during a trial and is guaranteed to be able to do so. The survivor has to actually escape and escape with their item and it only takes one camper or tunneler or mori and it's goodbye items and addons.

That won't stop other survivors from taking and using said item though. The item still exists, it's just not in the hands of the same survivor but from a Killers perspective that doesn't matter, in fact it makes it even worse because even if you finally kill that key-user or flashlight, someone can just run by and pick it up again.

Not really complaining about it, I just want to point out that Survivors items and add-ons are a lot easier to get and to keep compared to Killers

Well that's assuming someone knows where you dropped it and picks it up and also makes it out of the trial with said item though. As far as survivors items easier to get well yeah that's pretty obvious why since it's harder for them t get bp compared to a killer.

For keeping yes it can be easier but doesn't mean it always is though and again teh killer can and usually does make more bp per run then that individual survivor did. On average the killer will make out better on both bp and on items comparatively.

Also the really good players aren't that common compared to the potatoes that make up the majority of the playerbase. Throw in killers that have everything P3'd and are always complaining about having excess bp to spend.

Most of the red rank survivors i solo up with play 4-6 different characters with each having a specific loadout they run depending on who's in the lobby and dailies. For those most also rarely bring items and if they do it's not higher than a green usually.