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18 Killers on the PTB are labeled as Hard/Very Hard
Makes me think Behaviour doesn't understand their game when it comes to balancing and playing killer. For example The Pig is labeled Hard when her power is purely rng and needs a buff.
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They should remove the "easy/intermediate/hard" thing because it is completely subjective.
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I know the difficulty is for new players to how difficult the killer is to just pick and play...
However I think I rememeber Ghostie and Shape being Hard difficulty or something which made me realise it is not much better than their old rating. I don't understand their mind at all.
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I can see pig being hard for a new player. You could fall into the trap of crouch walking around all game, you could mis-prioritize going for a survivor with a head trap over survivors on gens, and her ambush attack only works at extremely short tiles and just wastes time otherwise.
I can see Shape being hard too, no real anti-loop, probably the worst starts for a killer in DBD (when the start is the most crtiical time for a killer), you need to manage stalk on survivors to make sure you can tier up on people still, and there is a limited amount of tier 3's per game so you are pressured to make lots of things happen each tier 3.
Ghostface is the same, no anti-loop, his power is negated by looking at him, and you need a lot of map knowledge to actually stalk effectively. New players are going to have no idea where to approach gens from.
They put someone like legion as "easy" and I agree. You see survivor, hit M2, run up and collect a free hit with no skill required.
So far I agree with the difficulty ratings, as seen from a brand new killers perspective.
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Every killer should be hard/very hard. Killer just in general is hard unless you're low mmr lol.
But yeah these rankings are weird, they always have been
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Haven't seen all the new rankings but I'm pretty sure they're more accurate to new players than more experienced ones
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Getting them to change this may take a ‘considerable’ amount of time.
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Yeah, their ratings are over the top for most of the Killers.
The only Killers labelled as easy are Trapper and Wraith. But I would count others as easy as well, e.g. Leatherface or Sadako. (Especially Sadako, she is not complicated... You have something similar to Wraith + a Teleport and thats it)
But they also label Killers like Doctor or Pig as Hard. Would not count any of them Hard, Doctor used to be Hard when you had to switch stances, but nowadays he is easy compared to back in the day (overall probably Medium difficulty).
And while they aim at new players, they could label most of the Killers easy when it is for new players, since new players will have very good results when starting as Killer due to facing new opponents as well. And even then, a 4.6m/s-Killer plays roughly the same as the next 4.6m/s-Killer. Whether you have a Trapper or a Bubba, the Basekit which is used most of the time is the same. And you dont really need to use Traps or your Chainsaw at new player-Level.
Then the descriptions also focus on the unique aspects of the Killer. But this would mean that every Killer is hard, since every Killer has unique features.
The ratings are confusing IMO.
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Everything is subjective but it’s there to give a subjective hopefully reasonable opinion for brand new players wondering who to play.
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TBH Pig is one of the killers I recommend new players play if they have access to her.
She has built in stalling which is one of the things most new killer players lack, she has stealth which a lot of newer survivors suck against, and she's 115 so you learn to chase the way a majority of killers do.
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Can someone take a screenshot of killer's difficulty ratings?
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These difficulty ratings are considering the skill floor, not the skill ceiling. They're not meant to show how hard they are to master, but rather, how hard they are for a new player to get into.
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WHy is nemmy labeled hard
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Probably because his zombies HARDly do anything at anytime.
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I still chuckle when I see my man Doctor being labelled as "hard".
I've bought Spark of Madness for so many people just because of how stupidly easy he is. Noob friendly, super easy to learn and hard to counter. Doesn't really need any perks to make himself viable and only thing you can call hard for him is understanding his add-ons, cuz there's a lot to read.
And then I see Trapper labeled as "easy", when it's so hard to get any value from him. And he's supposed to be the killer that will teach you the game. I legit never met a Trapper player who knew what to do, they all just walk like headless chickens.
Spark of Madness should be the free dlc for all platforms, not only for console, both survivor and killer are great for complete newbies
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Unless I'm mistaken, the difficulty rating is based on their perks and their power.
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The reason is because you're not going to tell a new player to play the Killer pig because her power is purely rng and needs a buff.
That sounds like a pretty hard killer to play.
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They atleast did so for survivors.
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The killer difficulty rating is nothing to do with balancing. It's purely for new players and how easy/difficult it is for them to pick up the character and play reasonably well instantly. Some killers take a bit more understanding and experience on how to use their powers more effectively.
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Some of these do seem weird though. (Namely doctor plague and nemi) plague just pukes on people (and sometimes injests to turn the puke into damaging puke). Doctor shocks. And nemesis whips with rng zombies.
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Plague is really not that intuitive to people new to her. Any killer can be made to sound trivially simple.
(With nurse you just look in a survivor's direction, hold m2, press m1. Billy is the same except you get closer to the survivor first)
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You've definitely got a point with the intuitive thing.
Part of the issue is that with experience, we see things as easy but we totally forget what it is like as a completely new player to the game. Which is what the ratings are for, they don't really make any difference once you've got experience in the game.
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I do personally just find it hard to rate plague very hard(While yeah she has ranged puke that makes survivors sick and can injest from black fountains to damage survivors with the puke) equivalent to hag and nurse. Even with the slight stuff plague has in her kit. Hag requires precise placement and cut off mindgames with your tp and nurse requires acute muscle memory,prediction and reaction time. Very hard isn't really the place for killers like plague or nemi compared to other killers in those ratings. I mean speaking of ranged killers just try to compare plague to pinhead. Who has to aim twice and has a chain and box mechanic you need to learn.
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For plague it's mostly strategy and reacting to how survivors treat being infected but there are some mechanical parts to it, also figuring out different spray patterns (i.e. arcs with corrupt purge that can hit over tall objects, unloading a full stream of vile purge into a survivor actively trying to dodge it)
That said plague took me a long while to get and pinhead didn't really so I guess it can be very subjective
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Trust me I thought leatherface was easy for new players but after watching some of my new-to-the-game friends attempt to play him he really isn't.
I've never seen a bubba crash more times in my life.
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Should’ve put Spirit at easy to encourage more people to play her.
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These seem pretty accurate when it comes to new players
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Some are correct and some seem pretty random. Like Huntress and especially Artist should be at least hard while Doctor, Clown and Nightmare are not hard at all.
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Freddy at hard I have to laugh
(Pyramid Head at very hard, I won 💫)
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Especially Doctor for a new killer player, tells you where nearby survivors are once every minute. 🤷🏼♂️
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So billy and Myers require the same amount of skill to master?
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Well, they sure feel equally rewarding to play. Which is not very much.
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None of these skill ratings are to do with mastering killers.
They are purely there to help new players.
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For sure! I play 1-3 matches a night on whatever killer I happen to have a mission for, so on average I’m playing a given killer only once a month. Which means killers that are mostly basic melee killers are my best ones since they’re kind of mechanically similar in chases, but I’m terrible at the killers that have ranged attacks or killers like Oni and Blight and Nurse and to some extent Victor which rely on unique special lunges for the bulk of their damage. Basically I haven’t looked the killer difficulties over but I would bet how well I do with them on average mostly aligns with that chart.
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