For pro-Deathslinger nerf people...

I never said old deathslinger was OP. And I was referring to how good he was at zoning from just existing. Only other killer that comes close is Huntress but she has a wind up time similar to the current deathslinger, which allows for more counterplay.

I'm fully aware it's controversial, I said that it shouldn't be.

When it comes to game design, you nerf the things that need nerfing and you buff the things that need buffing, any given community tierlist is fully irrelevant. Deathslinger's power design was unhealthy; while he wasn't necessarily overpowered, winning with him was still much harder than other killers, his power forced survivors into lose/lose scenarios without much requirement on the killer's part.

Fun is subjective, obviously, but it should be a baseline touchstone for everyone that a game requires both sides have influence over the outcome. The survivor should have some input in a chase, I'm sure you'd agree on that front?

Returning fire has gotta be the dumbest statement ive heard all week. You cant melee strike the killer either. If your playing survivor your signing up to be on the defensive. Even in shooters firing back is not the right choice. Your loadout could be suited medium close so manuvering into better positions and locations is part of overcoming your opponets advantage. Ofc most dbd players couldnt play an fps to save there lives nevermind handle advance concepts beyond loop wall structure.

Actual los blocking is just too complex and dont forget every survivour players favourite word "boring". It works different but it is striaght up wrong to make aiming a ranged charaters attack clunky. You all need to play hunt because it will open your eyes to what actual ranged gameplay looks like. Not this half ass deliberatly clunky game design. To amswer your question on different ms yes there are many fps games with various differing movement speeds.

I'm of the suprisingly small field of players believes that taking ques and aspect from other games despite differences is actually a helpful way to improve your game. If you believe that two different genres have nothing to learn from each other you are actively sabotaging the god damn game. Please do your homework first before posting nonesense.

You dont need feedback to know the guy with a gun is going to shoot you #########. If you are positioned in a zone where his limited range shot can hit you then you have already failed to break los on a slower killer. There has been other shooters with this crap level of clunky aimming and suprise suprise they are despised. What is slingers concept suppose to appeal to if he is not designed to attact the shooter player. Imagine in apex if your character took the same time to aim as slinger there would be riots.

He is designed to be slower to compensate for his ranged ability thats the god damn point. He has one shot so he gets punished hard for missing. I could apply your assinine logic to a horror monsters spotting you with giant alerts and flashing icons but that would you know be excessive and unnecessary. The sensation that your out in the open and under threat of being shoot and reeled is perfectly normal having icons immediatly tell you when hes going to shoot would be a silver bullet that would kill any chance of success when playing slinger.

If a slinger is on top of you and you cant put distance between him and you thats on you. You messed up and let him close that gap so his chances of missing is now non existent. All slinger needed was a cooldown or slowdown period when dropping his gun. But clearly none of you give a damn because better a character is nerfed to a point where it alienates all his playerbase. Congrats.

So, we're going to glide past everything in that message about killer viability or the current state of Deathslinger, because none of that is even slightly relevant to the point at hand. I agree that he currently needs work since the nerfs, while justified, weren't offset well enough and he feels clunky to play. No arguments there.

So, moving on: Survivors did have input in the chase, except for when he decided to employ the ADS fake quickscope tactic. In those scenarios, even when you're lucky enough to actually have something to break line of sight (which isn't a guarantee), you basically have two options; run straight and thus be an incredibly easy target, or juke side to side and thus lose distance, allowing him to catch up for an M1. That's bad design. Both of your major options will lead to getting hit, and your only hope is for the Deathslinger to miss.

Did that make him OP? God no, he was a weak killer before and he's a weak killer now- his strength hasn't even changed that much, he just feels awful now. But what it did make him was unhealthy.

None of this is a defence of his current state, but we gain nothing from pretending that there weren't serious, real issues to be corrected with how he was before. Survivors need agency in the chase, and Deathslinger denied that agency- not in the situational way, like how some killers can engineer specific situations where a survivor can't avoid getting hit, but in the sense that all he required was to be in chase and he could guarantee a hit.

Yes, it required skill, but there are more things that matter in game balance than whether something requires skill. You weren't outplaying your opponent when you used the ADS fake quickscope tactic, because your opponent didn't have any input in the situation.

Legion just got his fatique reverted from 4->3 seconds after 3 years. April 2019 was when he got changed. Given at the pace that dev change things, You'll probably need to wait like minimum 2 years for deathslinger to get changes/revert.

"If there's no mindgames for the killer, especially since the community nerfs any killer that does have mindgames, does survivor really take that much skill?"

I think we both know answer to that question.

Thank you - I needed the laugh.

Yes that why survivors vault faster and can use pallets as periods of respite to get greater distance. Also he has a damn range limit of a measely 18 meters with a snapable chain. But still people moaned and complained till his key selling point was butchered. Even then his gun has pathetic muzzle velocity. I reckon the derringer in hunt has more speed.

I ve run the best huntresses and slingers and i can tell you every action they take that buys you time is time i exploited to get distance i always pathed in directions that left me antoher loop close by and avoided structures i know they have an advantage at. Whenever i was caught they either spent several gens worth of time chasing or i messed up my pathing.

Also lets drop the act we all know 90% of the players here wanted slinger to get gutted and had zero to no interest in actually helping him. Not a single hint of a suggestion on what to do with him crossed there mind. How to compensate slinger and make him fun still to play was never anyones goal. If it was basic ideas like a charged exposed shot, multiple rounds in the chamber, extended range, faster muzzle velocity. Basic simple ideas. But no apprently the dbd community dosent believe in patches that give and take theyd rather see a killer or survivor gutted. Unforgiveable and frankly disgusting that people look at those changes and think it was still a good patch.