"Rewarding bad play" is not an argument against NOED

I have no problem with NOED, but justifying something potentially unhealthy by using other Perks as examples isn't the best argument that could be made.

It's the devs' jobs to see if all those wins are gained through NOED or not. It's not our responsibility to not use a perk because it supposedly skews the results. That's just guilt tripping the players instead of the devs' bad game design and sense of measuring in-game results.

Tru3ta1ent calls Noed the "data killer." It makes matches look even when they were not. Killer got stomped all game then gets 1 or 2 kills because of noed at the end. Horrible for balancing.

I see it more as it is the level of the reward. You get a 5% increase in movement and also instadown WITHOUT a warning. IMO if NOED just notified all survivors it was active the moment the gens were done, it wouldn't be as bad.

I have yet to see any statistical evidence NOED is better than, say, Haunted Grounds in increasing kill rates. I'm not saying it's a bad perk, it's a solid one, but most of the complaints I see leveled against NOED fall into either

• "It rewards bad play". Which is a bad argument because it's falsely assuming that if the gens are done the killer was "bad". When in fact the game is intentionally designed so that when the survivors play well and the killer plays well the kills will be in the 1-3 range so the gens should be done most of the time. If anything gens being stopped most of the time would be an indication something is off that favors killers, that's not supposed to be the norm.
• "It's not fun to have a strong perk in the end game". The only reason it's "not fun" is because people hate falsely thinking they've won the match already only to lose at the very end. I've never seen anybody complain after my matches when Haunted Grounds gives me a 4k by giving me 2-3 instant downs midgame, but because of this false sense of victory when the gens are done if NOED gives even a single down it's "unfair".

Honestly, NOED has been in the game since the very beginning, I guarantee the devs have looked at it periodically and never seen it causing kill inflation. And yeah, they're slow to act on thing, but by now they've adjusted almost everything else that's that old (e.g. keys, hatches, moris, a bunch of killer abilities, etc) or at the very least said they are actively working on it (e.g. They've talked about not being happy with Dead Hard's stats and also about how they've been experimenting with ways to mitigate face camping). If NOED really were problematic it would have almost certainly shown up as something they're focused on changing at some point.

I'd argue that if new killers rely so much on NOED, they might not move on ever as they will still play in a way that will keep a fallback, and once they see they actually needed as they learned that way, there might not be going back.

On the other hand, you have new survivors that might get crushed every time and get discouraged from playing as everything was for nothing.

And I am just mentioning that because it's your same argument on the other side. You could even say that about DH, for example. But then it becomse meta.

My problem with NOED es that it gives you all in exchange for nothing. All you need to do is equip it and sit back. You don't need to build it up, nor protect it because it's not there, and sudenly you become faster and get instadown, negating even saves from healthy surv.

I am OK with the existece of the perk, but I despise it's state because as I said, all for nothing

I just wanted unlimited NOED like when the game first came out. 😈

I'm not a veteran of either DbD or these forums, and I play both killer and survivor. Personally, yeah I get a little bit ****** off when I've had a great game as survivor, ran the killer, been altruistic, fixed gens etc and then I get hit, downed, hooked and the swf I was teamed with all leave together without even trying to find the totem (I play 90%+ of my survivor games as soloQ), yet I don't think NOED is a weak-killer tool or anything similar. After all, while I'm not the type of player who hunts for bones during the match, I could have. I also don't know spawn locations for totems (especially in Lerys), and actually believe the fact that people DO know them is a problem which the devs should fix.

When I play killer, I don't run NOED, because I tend to favour perks that give me tangible benefits for the duration of the game, yet I see the point and potential of end game builds (as I think of them). I also tend to end my games before the last generator is fixed. However, there have been times when I've been figuratively tortured by a swf, like yesterday, 4 man swf, me as Hag, 3 flashlights, I got 2 hooks out of the whole match and about 4 other hits which were healed before I could down them. They looped me like gods, 360s all over the place, and then carried on the torture for a good 3 minutes after the last generator was fixed before opening the exit gate, and then carried it on until the timer ended. (The gap between PC and console was never shown so glaringly to me lol). During the EGC I got 1 down and hook, and left one to die on the ground as timer was almost gone. This match was absolute torture, and NOED might have helped, but realistically not in a very big way, and I'd personally have preferred if EVERY SINGLE ONE of my hex totems (4 hex build) hadn't been destroyed immediately and in a coordinated fashion (1-2 seconds between booms) while I was in my first chase with the first loop god lol.

"just do bones" is an unrealistic expectation

Especially for SoloQ.

The same people also claim that the small speed boost is enough for these "bad killers" to camp a hook, totem and both gates all at the same time, which I think is a skill even people who have won real money playing this game would envy.

If the gens are done and the killer only got 0-1 hooks, then you have had plenty of breathing room to go get rid of totems.

Noed doesn't reward bad play, it punishes lazy play.

A strategy that only works because the survivors are choosing to be lazy and not remove your totems. It's entirely within their power to deny you the perk at all.

Nice strawman. Who said anything about people getting no hooks the entire match?

NOED is mostly fine. Remove the speed boost, or have the exposed effect show immediately after all gens are done and NOED will seem less cheap.