The Amanda's Letter add-on for The Pig has been Kill Switched due to an issue with incorrect RBT count.
http://dbd.game/killswitch
Balance Prayer Beads
How can they really find it fair to have an add-on for someone who can go invisible with no indication whatsoever where they are but also no idea that they're using their ability? There is no counterplay whatsoever. Every other strong add-on for every killer has some counterplay on some level (exception being nurse and exhaustion add-ons that remain broken).
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Cause surprise attacks help keep the game in line with the horror genre. They also feel so much better than watching the killer approach after x-seconds of warning. There shouldn't be any point in a match where you feel secure enough to dismiss danger.7
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It's literally the only thing she has. Leave the Spirit and her addons alone.
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the prayer beads are a very rare add on. this means, that you will not see these very often in the normal game, as they are pretty rare to be found in the bloodweb.
besides that, once you know its a spirit, being aware of your surroundings is often a great indicator to weather she is coming or not. watch crows or grass, as she will disturb the birds and move the grass while phasing.
i also agree with @DemonDaddy here. this is a horror game. jumpscares are a common thing in the horror genre.
just enjoy getting scared once in a while and later on laugh about it.4 -
@Mister_xD said:
the prayer beads are a very rare add on. this means, that you will not see these very often in the normal game, as they are pretty rare to be found in the bloodweb.besides that, once you know its a spirit, being aware of your surroundings is often a great indicator to weather she is coming or not. watch crows or grass, as she will disturb the birds and move the grass while phasing.
i also agree with @DemonDaddy here. this is a horror game. jumpscares are a common thing in the horror genre.
just enjoy getting scared once in a while and later on laugh about it.They're in 3/4 of the games I run into with her at rank 1. It's not scary to instantly be downed with no terror radius, nothing in sight, no sound, nothing whatsoever if I'm letting someone heal me. That's frustrating, for good, rational reason, not scary.
These forums are really just to back up the devs, though, apparently, that's pretty much all that I ever see in the comments replying to actually have the devs balance the game, in a board that's all about that as a topic.
There is no other killer who comes close to having such a broken add-on.
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@DemonDaddy said:
Cause surprise attacks help keep the game in line with the horror genre. They also feel so much better than watching the killer approach after x-seconds of warning. There shouldn't be any point in a match where you feel secure enough to dismiss danger.So you should basically never do anything in-game against a Spirit with prayer beads, got it. If you touch a generator, she can instantly grab you with no indication whatsoever that she was ever anywhere near.
Insane there are people defending this. Probably none of you ever play survivor, which is 80% of the player base. Might as well advocate for letting the spirit use her ability nonstop and be able to see survivors through it with no sound or indication, just to be hit repeatedly by an invisible soundless creature and downed, because that's as much regard as you all show for balance.
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As a Spirit main I've never been grabbed by one running Prayer Beads off a gen unless I was trying to get that last few % of completion. It's all about paying attention to the details when facing her since she has to use that a long way away usually.
You can watch for grass, birds getting disturbed, listen for her terror radius if she phases too close, move around on the gen a bit. If you think she's coming you move and wait a few seconds to see if she's coming for you.
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@adalesmo
Never said don't do anything, that's just giving the killer the advantage. My point was that the audio indicators are not always a viable early warning. While there are not many ways for a killer to perform a full stealth approach, it is possible and should not be dismissed until proven otherwise. As to why you see it so often; I can only assume its because they are prepped for the traditional high rank struggle. I don't expect them to waste such rare items while facing noobs on reset.
Lastly, while I am no expert with spirit I believe she can't attack until completely out of her power phase.
Ps. Survivor 90% of the time since before patch 2.4, I just love a good challenge.0 -
@DemonDaddy said:
Cause surprise attacks help keep the game in line with the horror genre. They also feel so much better than watching the killer approach after x-seconds of warning. There shouldn't be any point in a match where you feel secure enough to dismiss danger.Right, that's why they nerfed lighting so the game is as bright as noontime in the Colorado Desert. So scary, so horror-ful.
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Oh, yeah, the same "killer mains" that strictly play survivor and want BBQ to be nerfed even more.
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Prayer beads are Good but I wouldn't say over powered. You can get a surprise attack only if you know where people are, that's it. In a chase you can't hear the noise anyways.
They're rare anyways so you wont see it often, not like Keys coming out of chests on the regular with plunder's instinct after 2.5.0.
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@Bongbingbing said:
Prayer beads are Good but I wouldn't say over powered. You can get a surprise attack only if you know where people are, that's it. In a chase you can't hear the noise anyways.They're rare anyways so you wont see it often, not like Keys coming out of chests on the regular with plunder's instinct after 2.5.0.
This is what people don't understand the Spirit has to come out of the phase at exactly the right time and if they bump into you before ending the phase you can feel it and move.
Now granted i had a huge stockpile since I kept rolling the level 50 blood web over trying to get a tier III perk for 47 level 50 rerolls.
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@adalesmo said:
How can they really find it fair to have an add-on for someone who can go invisible with no indication whatsoever where they are but also no idea that they're using their ability? There is no counterplay whatsoever. Every other strong add-on for every killer has some counterplay on some level (exception being nurse and exhaustion add-ons that remain broken).I believe the wraith has some form of add ons that do something like this. Oh well.
Also leave spirit alone she has nothing else unlike other killers.1 -
It's one of the strongest addons in the game and at the same time having the least counterplay available.
Even the dreaded plague of IH Huntresses back in the day were much more fun to play against.
The argument of "It's a very rare addon" is so stupid... IH Huntress used Ultra Rares + Very Rare at the same time to achieve the "scum level" of Prayer Breads.If you want to have an ultimate ambush ability (no audible notification for phasing out of terror radius), then remove any in chase tracking capabilities (make scratches and blood completely nullified, even if used with her Ultra Rare).
Now, instead of the Spirit being a daughter of the nurse, one of the best chasing killer in the game, you have an alternate playstyle for her, an ambush killer that is mediocre in chases.
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@PureHostility said:
It's one of the strongest addons in the game and at the same time having the least counterplay available.
Even the dreaded plague of IH Huntresses back in the day were much more fun to play against.
The argument of "It's a very rare addon" is so stupid... IH Huntress used Ultra Rares + Very Rare at the same time to achieve the "scum level" of Prayer Breads.If you want to have an ultimate ambush ability (no audible notification for phasing out of terror radius), then remove any in chase tracking capabilities (make scratches and blood completely nullified, even if used with her Ultra Rare).
Now, instead of the Spirit being a daughter of the nurse, one of the best chasing killer in the game, you have an alternate playstyle for her, an ambush killer that is mediocre in chases.
Both Premo and Spine Chill both counter her and people that know how to play against her counter her using Prayer Beads as well. She sacrifices a lot to use that item and if she misses she's screwed herself over since she can't phase for awhile.
What you're basically asking for is to give her the Freddy treatment because you want an easy match instead of facing a killer that when played well challenges you.
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@powerbats said:
@PureHostility said:
It's one of the strongest addons in the game and at the same time having the least counterplay available.
Even the dreaded plague of IH Huntresses back in the day were much more fun to play against.
The argument of "It's a very rare addon" is so stupid... IH Huntress used Ultra Rares + Very Rare at the same time to achieve the "scum level" of Prayer Breads.If you want to have an ultimate ambush ability (no audible notification for phasing out of terror radius), then remove any in chase tracking capabilities (make scratches and blood completely nullified, even if used with her Ultra Rare).
Now, instead of the Spirit being a daughter of the nurse, one of the best chasing killer in the game, you have an alternate playstyle for her, an ambush killer that is mediocre in chases.
Both Premo and Spine Chill both counter her and people that know how to play against her counter her using Prayer Beads as well. She sacrifices a lot to use that item and if she misses she's screwed herself over since she can't phase for awhile.
What you're basically asking for is to give her the Freddy treatment because you want an easy match instead of facing a killer that when played well challenges you.
Freddy Treatment?
Sacrifices a lot for using Prayer Breads?Are you high?
This is what Prayer Breads do by default:
Prayer Breads:
"Removes phasing sound emission while using Yamaoka's Haunting."That's it!
THAT IS IT!
One positive, no negatives, it is a purple ("very rare").What I proposed was this:
Prayer Breads:
"Removes phasing sound emission while using Yamaoka's Haunting.
Completely disables ability to see scratch marks or blood trail"Where the F do you see "Freddy Treatment" or "she sacrifices so much already for using said addon"?!
This aside, as I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I was suggesting and just jumped in by reading 25% of the text.
Your suggestion about perks, only Spine Chill actually helps you against Spirit, Premo is crap when it comes to her, especially with prayer breads.0 -
@PureHostility said:
Freddy Treatment?
Sacrifices a lot for using Prayer Breads?Are you high?
This is what Prayer Breads do by default:
Prayer Breads:
"Removes phasing sound emission while using Yamaoka's Haunting."That's it!
THAT IS IT!
One positive, no negatives, it is a purple ("very rare").What I proposed was this:
Prayer Breads:
"Removes phasing sound emission while using Yamaoka's Haunting.
Completely disables ability to see scratch marks or blood trail"Where the F do you see "Freddy Treatment" or "she sacrifices so much already for using said addon"?!
This aside, as I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I was suggesting and just jumped in by reading 25% of the text.
Your suggestion about perks, only Spine Chill actually helps you against Spirit, Premo is crap when it comes to her, especially with prayer breads.The only one that can't read here is you, I run premo and I'VE NEVER EVER been gen grabbed by a Spirit using Prayer Beads unless I'm finishing the last 1-2% of the gen.
Also you seem to be under the illusion this addons allows her to see blood trails while phasing, IT DOESN'T, that requires that she use Father's Glasses.
So what you want to do is nerf 2 perks at the same time since if she used Prayer Beads then Father's Glasses becomes useless.
Oh and to sink your battleship even more her other ultra rare perk Mother-Daughter Ring already removes her ability to see scratch marks while phasing.
As the wiki clearly shows you're trying to have more of the same thing that already exists.
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Rin_Yamaoka
Her negatives to using it are she has to actually bump into a survivor to know they're there for sure and good survivors know this
Now if you're going to complain about that why not complain about Myers Scratched Mirror or the fact he's immune to detection perks in tier I. Why not complain about Tinkerer or about Wraith with his addons and why stop there why don't you just ask for the gates to be powered at the start.
That says it all about your post.
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Oh boi, here we go Mr.4chan.
@powerbats said:
The only one that can't read here is you, I run premo and I'VE NEVER EVER been gen grabbed by a Spirit using Prayer Beads unless I'm finishing the last 1-2% of the gen.I don't run either, never been grabbed by her either, but I did grab ton of people.
The key is not to leave the phase too early unless you are completely sure at which side the survivor is on the gen.Also you seem to be under the illusion this addons allows her to see blood trails while phasing, IT DOESN'T, that requires that she use Father's Glasses.
Never said that, you silly goose.
As I said, you haven't even read my post.
All I did say was to remove scratch marks and blood trail even though you use Ultra Rare to enable it.
Nowhere in my post it says that blood trails are visible by default.So what you want to do is nerf 2 perks at the same time since if she used Prayer Beads then Father's Glasses becomes useless.
Nerf these perks? Oh god, you are one of those people.
Both of these perks would work exactly the same, just because one addon on one killer would become less of a bullshit, it doesn't mean some completely unrelated stuff becomes nerfed (nerfing a specific addon on a single killer = common survivor perks become nerfed... what?). Just because something becomes less common doesn't mean something completely different is nerfed, at best, what you should name it, it would become less relevant, which isn't the case either as both spine chill and its inferior brother, premonition still work against most stealth based killers.
Spine Chill is still great against most killers, including Nurse and Billy.Oh and to sink your battleship even more her other ultra rare perk Mother-Daughter Ring already removes her ability to see scratch marks while phasing.
Yes, and said addon actually allows her to see the blood trail, which was why I said to also remove blood trails even if you use an ultra rare, you numb nut,
As the wiki clearly shows you're trying to have more of the same thing that already exists.
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Rin_Yamaoka
Her negatives to using it are she has to actually bump into a survivor to know they're there for sure and good survivors know this
What are you trying to point out here?
There is no addon that does the same as Prayer Breads (massive ambush buff) but at the cost of losing any visual tracking during phasing (massive chase nerf).Now if you're going to complain about that why not complain about Myers Scratched Mirror or the fact he's immune to detection perks in tier I. Why not complain about Tinkerer or about Wraith with his addons and why stop there why don't you just ask for the gates to be powered at the start.
Scratched Mirror Myers is a laughing stock, everyone knows it, so ...why did you even brought it here? It's a free win for survivors, maybe besides Lery's, but that heavily depends if SWF is present or not.
Everyone knows tracking doesn't work on EW1, no need to complain, you can also clearly see him walking around, thus ... the hell is your argument again?Wraith? You can see his cloak, hear him growl and have plenty time to run away before he decloaks.
Once again, your argument compared to current Praying Breads Spirit is ... still out of the whack.Wanted to put something similar to Praying Breads in comparison?
A similar results may be done by a maxed range Nurse with M&A... but her blinking sound may give her away, as it gets louder and you have a second of TR before she physically pops up.So, duuuuuud (as I believe you are on that level), read and think before jumping the gun.
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Why do people keep suggesting to remove scratches while using this addon? Survivors can already prevent scratches from appearing. Take some responsibility for shortcomings that lead to the killers advantage and stop blaming an add-on as doing all the work for a match. Being difficult to counter is not the same as having none, maybe use something outside the meta.4
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@PureHostility said:
Oh boi, here we go Mr.4chan.Oh look another person that has to resort to Ad Hominems and other logical fallacies when they get their arguments negated.
I don't run either, never been grabbed by her either, but I did grab ton of people.
The key is not to leave the phase too early unless you are completely sure at which side the survivor is on the gen.That's true however you're not guaranteed of success either and good survivors will know you're running this and play accordingly.
Never said that, you silly goose.
As I said, you haven't even read my post.
All I did say was to remove scratch marks and blood trail even though you use Ultra Rare to enable it.
Nowhere in my post it says that blood trails are visible by default.That's funny because what's this here
@PureHostility said:
Prayer Breads:
"Removes phasing sound emission while using Yamaoka's Haunting.
Completely disables ability to see scratch marks or blood trail"So apparently the one that's still not reading is you and you can't even keep your story straight not even 1 post later and 2 comments down.
You said nothing about using an Ultra Rare in that comment and your own words prove it and you imply that it allows you to see blood trails.
You're also completely negating her Ultra rare which allows her to see blood trails so you're in fact nerfing 2 perks at the same time. Her other Ultra Rare already removes scratch marks when phasing so now that's 3 perks.
Nerf these perks? Oh god, you are one of those people.
Ah yes the typical troll response and logical fallacy response again.
Both of these perks would work exactly the same, just because one addon on one killer would become less of a bullshit, it doesn't mean some completely unrelated stuff becomes nerfed (nerfing a specific addon on a single killer = common survivor perks become nerfed... what?).
Yep here goes the logical fallacies again and it just shows you realize how asinine your whole argument is that you have to resort to so many fallacies in 1 post. You're proposing nerfing one of her best addons into the ground and then claiming it's not a big deal.
You then go full on troll and bring a completely irrelevant topic into the conversation to try and back up said asinine claims.
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Just because something becomes less common doesn't mean something completely different is nerfed, at best, what you should name it, it would become less relevant, which isn't the case either as both spine chill and its inferior brother, premonition still work against most stealth based killers.Spine Chill is still great against most killers, including Nurse and Billy.
Wow more logical fallacies, you must be really desperate now to go so full blown troll that you're literally grasping here, even the most biased of the trolls here aren't this obvious.
Yes, and said addon actually allows her to see the blood trail, which was why I said to also remove blood trails even if you use an ultra rare, you numb nut,
Yep more Ad hominems and failed logic since if you remove blood trails while using that addon you make her Ultra Rare addon WORTHLESS. So that proves you know full well your whole argument has got more holes in it then Swiss cheese.
What are you trying to point out here?
There is no addon that does the same as Prayer Breads (massive ambush buff) but at the cost of losing any visual tracking during phasing (massive chase nerf).So lets see she has to use 2 addons to get to be able to see both scratch marks and blood trails but while phased can't actually see anyone. So if someone stops running and simply stealths around either by walking or crouching she can't see them.
If they're running Iron Will, Lightweight, No Mither especially, Quick and Quiet all counter her and then you take away both of her addon uses you've given her the Freddy treatment.
Scratched Mirror Myers is a laughing stock, everyone knows it, so ...why did you even brought it here? It's a free win for survivors, maybe besides Lery's, but that heavily depends if SWF is present or not.
Ah yes more lies since he does good on Gideons as well even against SWF he can still do good, just because you can't doesn't mean people that know how to play him can't.
This is just one and this is on Gideons and yes rank 7 just for context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otoeWHFeYVMOh and here's a rank 1 Myers 4king on Gideons but it's definitely trash if they 4k'd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPyj-H-c4MsEveryone knows tracking doesn't work on EW1, no need to complain, you can also clearly see him walking around, thus ... the hell is your argument again?
So you can clearly see him walking around through walls, buildings, floors, ceilings, rocks, car piles, tractors, huge trees etc. Whoops you can't clearly see him walking around so that means your argument just went up in flames faster than a moth landing on a candle.
Wraith? You can see his cloak, hear him growl and have plenty time to run away before he decloaks.
Yes you can see his cloak through walls, buildings, floors, ceilings, car piles, through trees and rocks etc, oh whoops no you can't.
The Ghost Soot - After uncloaking, The Wraith's Terror Radius and Red Stain will remain suppressed for 6 seconds'.
Bone Clapper - Survivors can no longer discern the Wailing Bell's distance or direction.
Coxcombed Clapper - Renders the Wailing Bell completely silent.
Oh and Monitor and Abuse reduces his growl range and good Wraiths don't approach in plain sight where you can see the shimmer. Also good wraiths use addons like oh you know like the 2 Windstorm addons that together make him really good at ambushing.
Once again, your argument compared to current Praying Breads Spirit is ... still out of the whack.
Once again the only one who's argument is out of whack here is you and it's obvious why.
Wanted to put something similar to Praying Breads in comparison?
A similar results may be done by a maxed range Nurse with M&A... but her blinking sound may give her away, as it gets louder and you have a second of TR before she physically pops up.Hmmn comparing 1 addon versus the top killer in the game that ignores game mechanics, yep that's a realistic comparison. That's like comparing a Watermelon and an apple, they both grow from seeds but they're both completely different.
But hey you're so committed to the logical fallacies now it's not surprising you'd resort to them some more when you know your argument is horribly flawed.
So, duuuuuud (as I believe you are on that level), read and think before jumping the gun.
Here we go again with the Ad Hominems again since you've got nothing else left to try, too bad for you it falls as flat on it's face as your entire argument and posts always do.
Also you really should take your own advice because you couldn't even keep your story straight as usual and like always resort to Ad hominems and every logical fallacy in the book practically.
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Is no one going to mention the fact that a huntress can have 3 one-shot hatchets? I think if no one has an issue to that every killer should have an add on that lets them 1 shot if they use their power. With some kind of downside of course.
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If your main concern is a counter to Prayer Beads. The counter to that is the perk Spine Chill or Premonition. As soon as it lights up start walking away and NOT to the nearest pallet where she would be expecting you to go had you such a perk.
Off topic, the Spirits basic movement is a mind game. You think she 180's while looping to confuse you if you're relying on the red glow, but she didn't 180, she simply phased passively while still chasing you normally.
. . . Now that is frustrating. All else is fine. Killers need power, hers takes some getting used too.
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Ummmmm.. mikey says hi, huntress, clown, let's not forget about omega blink nurse, 5blink nurse... like they're way worse set ups than spirit.... you're whining about a killer that can't see you while their using their power dude.... git gudadalesmo said:@Mister_xD said:
the prayer beads are a very rare add on. this means, that you will not see these very often in the normal game, as they are pretty rare to be found in the bloodweb.besides that, once you know its a spirit, being aware of your surroundings is often a great indicator to weather she is coming or not. watch crows or grass, as she will disturb the birds and move the grass while phasing.
i also agree with @DemonDaddy here. this is a horror game. jumpscares are a common thing in the horror genre.
just enjoy getting scared once in a while and later on laugh about it.They're in 3/4 of the games I run into with her at rank 1. It's not scary to instantly be downed with no terror radius, nothing in sight, no sound, nothing whatsoever if I'm letting someone heal me. That's frustrating, for good, rational reason, not scary.
These forums are really just to back up the devs, though, apparently, that's pretty much all that I ever see in the comments replying to actually have the devs balance the game, in a board that's all about that as a topic.
There is no other killer who comes close to having such a broken add-on.
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Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
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@powerbats said:
@PureHostility said:
Oh boi, here we go Mr.4chan.Oh look another person that has to resort to Ad Hominems and other logical fallacies when they get their arguments negated.
I don't run either, never been grabbed by her either, but I did grab ton of people.
The key is not to leave the phase too early unless you are completely sure at which side the survivor is on the gen.That's true however you're not guaranteed of success either and good survivors will know you're running this and play accordingly.
Never said that, you silly goose.
As I said, you haven't even read my post.
All I did say was to remove scratch marks and blood trail even though you use Ultra Rare to enable it.
Nowhere in my post it says that blood trails are visible by default.That's funny because what's this here
@PureHostility said:
Prayer Breads:
"Removes phasing sound emission while using Yamaoka's Haunting.
Completely disables ability to see scratch marks or blood trail"So apparently the one that's still not reading is you and you can't even keep your story straight not even 1 post later and 2 comments down.
You said nothing about using an Ultra Rare in that comment and your own words prove it and you imply that it allows you to see blood trails.
You're also completely negating her Ultra rare which allows her to see blood trails so you're in fact nerfing 2 perks at the same time. Her other Ultra Rare already removes scratch marks when phasing so now that's 3 perks.
Nerf these perks? Oh god, you are one of those people.
Ah yes the typical troll response and logical fallacy response again.
Both of these perks would work exactly the same, just because one addon on one killer would become less of a bullshit, it doesn't mean some completely unrelated stuff becomes nerfed (nerfing a specific addon on a single killer = common survivor perks become nerfed... what?).
Yep here goes the logical fallacies again and it just shows you realize how asinine your whole argument is that you have to resort to so many fallacies in 1 post. You're proposing nerfing one of her best addons into the ground and then claiming it's not a big deal.
You then go full on troll and bring a completely irrelevant topic into the conversation to try and back up said asinine claims.
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Just because something becomes less common doesn't mean something completely different is nerfed, at best, what you should name it, it would become less relevant, which isn't the case either as both spine chill and its inferior brother, premonition still work against most stealth based killers.Spine Chill is still great against most killers, including Nurse and Billy.
Wow more logical fallacies, you must be really desperate now to go so full blown troll that you're literally grasping here, even the most biased of the trolls here aren't this obvious.
Yes, and said addon actually allows her to see the blood trail, which was why I said to also remove blood trails even if you use an ultra rare, you numb nut,
Yep more Ad hominems and failed logic since if you remove blood trails while using that addon you make her Ultra Rare addon WORTHLESS. So that proves you know full well your whole argument has got more holes in it then Swiss cheese.
What are you trying to point out here?
There is no addon that does the same as Prayer Breads (massive ambush buff) but at the cost of losing any visual tracking during phasing (massive chase nerf).So lets see she has to use 2 addons to get to be able to see both scratch marks and blood trails but while phased can't actually see anyone. So if someone stops running and simply stealths around either by walking or crouching she can't see them.
If they're running Iron Will, Lightweight, No Mither especially, Quick and Quiet all counter her and then you take away both of her addon uses you've given her the Freddy treatment.
Scratched Mirror Myers is a laughing stock, everyone knows it, so ...why did you even brought it here? It's a free win for survivors, maybe besides Lery's, but that heavily depends if SWF is present or not.
Ah yes more lies since he does good on Gideons as well even against SWF he can still do good, just because you can't doesn't mean people that know how to play him can't.
This is just one and this is on Gideons and yes rank 7 just for context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otoeWHFeYVMOh and here's a rank 1 Myers 4king on Gideons but it's definitely trash if they 4k'd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPyj-H-c4MsEveryone knows tracking doesn't work on EW1, no need to complain, you can also clearly see him walking around, thus ... the hell is your argument again?
So you can clearly see him walking around through walls, buildings, floors, ceilings, rocks, car piles, tractors, huge trees etc. Whoops you can't clearly see him walking around so that means your argument just went up in flames faster than a moth landing on a candle.
Wraith? You can see his cloak, hear him growl and have plenty time to run away before he decloaks.
Yes you can see his cloak through walls, buildings, floors, ceilings, car piles, through trees and rocks etc, oh whoops no you can't.
The Ghost Soot - After uncloaking, The Wraith's Terror Radius and Red Stain will remain suppressed for 6 seconds'.
Bone Clapper - Survivors can no longer discern the Wailing Bell's distance or direction.
Coxcombed Clapper - Renders the Wailing Bell completely silent.
Oh and Monitor and Abuse reduces his growl range and good Wraiths don't approach in plain sight where you can see the shimmer. Also good wraiths use addons like oh you know like the 2 Windstorm addons that together make him really good at ambushing.
Once again, your argument compared to current Praying Breads Spirit is ... still out of the whack.
Once again the only one who's argument is out of whack here is you and it's obvious why.
Wanted to put something similar to Praying Breads in comparison?
A similar results may be done by a maxed range Nurse with M&A... but her blinking sound may give her away, as it gets louder and you have a second of TR before she physically pops up.Hmmn comparing 1 addon versus the top killer in the game that ignores game mechanics, yep that's a realistic comparison. That's like comparing a Watermelon and an apple, they both grow from seeds but they're both completely different.
But hey you're so committed to the logical fallacies now it's not surprising you'd resort to them some more when you know your argument is horribly flawed.
So, duuuuuud (as I believe you are on that level), read and think before jumping the gun.
Here we go again with the Ad Hominems again since you've got nothing else left to try, too bad for you it falls as flat on it's face as your entire argument and posts always do.
Also you really should take your own advice because you couldn't even keep your story straight as usual and like always resort to Ad hominems and every logical fallacy in the book practically.
Not that I disagree with you. But if you are going to call someones argument a fallacy then you should specify which fallacy was made and why. Otherwise I can just quote your argument and say "this is a fallacy" and there wouldn't really be a good way to rebuttal that.
Also he explicitly stated in his first post suggestion the scratch marks removal thing that the glasses were the reason for specifying not seeing blood.
If you want to have an ultimate ambush ability (no audible notification for phasing out of terror radius), then remove any in chase tracking capabilities (make scratches and blood completely nullified, even if used with her Ultra Rare).
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Also if I HAD to nerf this perk (I don't. I think you are overestimating it's impact) then I would instead make you unable to hear anything including noise notifications during the duration (no breathing, no hearing vaults, no getting ToTH or Spies from the shadows notifications ect)
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the only thing I find weird about Prayer Beads is that the Wraith doesn't have a similarly powerful addon that removes his shimmer while cloaked. Especially with the amount of time it takes him to decloak before he can attack, he's much less likely to get a gen grab or anything, and he suffers from the same tell tale signs (grass moving, sound, etc)
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@Ryuhi said:
the only thing I find weird about Prayer Beads is that the Wraith doesn't have a similarly powerful addon that removes his shimmer while cloaked. Especially with the amount of time it takes him to decloak before he can attack, he's much less likely to get a gen grab or anything, and he suffers from the same tell tale signs (grass moving, sound, etc)Tbh I don't get why he still has a shimmer at all. He could use that kind of buff at base and would still probably not even be mid tier.
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@Blueberry said:
@Ryuhi said:
the only thing I find weird about Prayer Beads is that the Wraith doesn't have a similarly powerful addon that removes his shimmer while cloaked. Especially with the amount of time it takes him to decloak before he can attack, he's much less likely to get a gen grab or anything, and he suffers from the same tell tale signs (grass moving, sound, etc)Tbh I don't get why he still has a shimmer at all. He could use that kind of buff at base and would still probably not even be mid tier.
I'd imagine it's because of counter-play design reasons.
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@se05239 said:
@Blueberry said:
@Ryuhi said:
the only thing I find weird about Prayer Beads is that the Wraith doesn't have a similarly powerful addon that removes his shimmer while cloaked. Especially with the amount of time it takes him to decloak before he can attack, he's much less likely to get a gen grab or anything, and he suffers from the same tell tale signs (grass moving, sound, etc)Tbh I don't get why he still has a shimmer at all. He could use that kind of buff at base and would still probably not even be mid tier.
I'd imagine it's because of counter-play design reasons.
He's extremely slow when cloaking and decloaking. That should be enough, IMO, and I wish the devs would see that.
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@Orion said:
@se05239 said:
@Blueberry said:
@Ryuhi said:
the only thing I find weird about Prayer Beads is that the Wraith doesn't have a similarly powerful addon that removes his shimmer while cloaked. Especially with the amount of time it takes him to decloak before he can attack, he's much less likely to get a gen grab or anything, and he suffers from the same tell tale signs (grass moving, sound, etc)Tbh I don't get why he still has a shimmer at all. He could use that kind of buff at base and would still probably not even be mid tier.
I'd imagine it's because of counter-play design reasons.
He's extremely slow when cloaking and decloaking. That should be enough, IMO, and I wish the devs would see that.
Basically^
You could not know he was there till he was right on top of you and it still wouldn't be that big of a deal with his uncloaking.
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@adalesmo said:
How can they really find it fair to have an add-on for someone who can go invisible with no indication whatsoever where they are but also no idea that they're using their ability? There is no counterplay whatsoever. Every other strong add-on for every killer has some counterplay on some level (exception being nurse and exhaustion add-ons that remain broken).No counterplay?
I came up with some:
1) Premonition/Spine Chill
2) Generator tapping4 -
@adalesmo said:
How can they really find it fair to have an add-on for someone who can go invisible with no indication whatsoever where they are but also no idea that they're using their ability? There is no counterplay whatsoever. Every other strong add-on for every killer has some counterplay on some level (exception being nurse and exhaustion add-ons that remain broken).its fine
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@DemonDaddy said:
Cause surprise attacks help keep the game in line with the horror genre. They also feel so much better than watching the killer approach after x-seconds of warning. There shouldn't be any point in a match where you feel secure enough to dismiss danger.DBD being a horror game, thats a meme itself.....
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@Master
Yeah with all the early warnings its hard to be reminded of the horror aspect. Violence doesn't equate to fear and survivors are anything but afraid of the killer.0 -
MakeDBDHorrorAgain
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@tehshadowman33 said:
@adalesmo said:
How can they really find it fair to have an add-on for someone who can go invisible with no indication whatsoever where they are but also no idea that they're using their ability? There is no counterplay whatsoever. Every other strong add-on for every killer has some counterplay on some level (exception being nurse and exhaustion add-ons that remain broken).No counterplay?
I came up with some:
1) Premonition/Spine Chill
2) Generator tappingI run Premonition and get told it's trash and they shouldn't have to run it despite the fact it works on every killer except Tier I Myers. I've also never been gen grabbed by a Spirit running them even when not running Premonition.
You can see grass moving, crows get disturbed by her passing, corn maps make her super easy to spot, you can gen tap, move around while doing the gen etc.
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@powerbats said:
@tehshadowman33 said:
@adalesmo said:
How can they really find it fair to have an add-on for someone who can go invisible with no indication whatsoever where they are but also no idea that they're using their ability? There is no counterplay whatsoever. Every other strong add-on for every killer has some counterplay on some level (exception being nurse and exhaustion add-ons that remain broken).No counterplay?
I came up with some:
1) Premonition/Spine Chill
2) Generator tappingI run Premonition and get told it's trash and they shouldn't have to run it despite the fact it works on every killer except Tier I Myers. I've also never been gen grabbed by a Spirit running them even when not running Premonition.
You can see grass moving, crows get disturbed by her passing, corn maps make her super easy to spot, you can gen tap, move around while doing the gen etc.
True, I forgot about that.
It works with Freddy too.
If you work on a gen, sit on a side with at least two of your exposed sides near grass. If it moves, immediately stand up and start running. This won't work on certain maps like The Game, which doesn't have movable terrain.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Blueberry said:Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
Object, alert, dark sense as well.... iron will is the true hard counter to her though
Not really. In order to be truly stealth against that, you'd need to run No Mither and Iron Will b/c Stridor increases pain noises by 100% but those two combined take it over 100% reduction.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Blueberry said:Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
Object, alert, dark sense as well.... iron will is the true hard counter to her though
I forgot object of obsession. Considering, yeah it'd counter that as she wouldn't see your aura. Alert, no b/c you cannot break things while haunting as Spirit and odds of spirit breaking a pallet/kicking a gen and going into haunt mode within 5 seconds is really low. Dark sense same problem as before.
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@tehshadowman33 said:
@Bravo0413 said:
Blueberry said:Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
Object, alert, dark sense as well.... iron will is the true hard counter to her though
Not really. In order to be truly stealth against that, you'd need to run No Mither and Iron Will b/c Stridor increases pain noises by 100% but those two combined take it over 100% reduction.
Iron Will counters Stridor fyi
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@Blueberry said:
@tehshadowman33 said:
@Bravo0413 said:
Blueberry said:Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
Object, alert, dark sense as well.... iron will is the true hard counter to her though
Not really. In order to be truly stealth against that, you'd need to run No Mither and Iron Will b/c Stridor increases pain noises by 100% but those two combined take it over 100% reduction.
Iron Will counters Stridor fyi
No. T3 Iron Will only makes pain noises for survivors 50% reduced for a killer running T3 Stridor. It's more of a soft counter.
No Mither + Iron Will = Total silence even against a T3 Stridor... Not that you would ever want to run this combo b/c it's so bad.....
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@tehshadowman33 said:
@Blueberry said:
@tehshadowman33 said:
@Bravo0413 said:
Blueberry said:Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
Object, alert, dark sense as well.... iron will is the true hard counter to her though
Not really. In order to be truly stealth against that, you'd need to run No Mither and Iron Will b/c Stridor increases pain noises by 100% but those two combined take it over 100% reduction.
Iron Will counters Stridor fyi
No. T3 Iron Will only makes pain noises for survivors 50% reduced for a killer running T3 Stridor. It's more of a soft counter.
No Mither + Iron Will = Total silence even against a T3 Stridor... Not that you would ever want to run this combo b/c it's so bad.....
Stridor = Breathing
Iron Will = Grunts of Pain
They are not the same
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@Blueberry said:
@tehshadowman33 said:
@Blueberry said:
@tehshadowman33 said:
@Bravo0413 said:
Blueberry said:Spine Chill, Premonition, Iron Will, opening eyes to grass...yup no counters all.
Object, alert, dark sense as well.... iron will is the true hard counter to her though
Not really. In order to be truly stealth against that, you'd need to run No Mither and Iron Will b/c Stridor increases pain noises by 100% but those two combined take it over 100% reduction.
Iron Will counters Stridor fyi
No. T3 Iron Will only makes pain noises for survivors 50% reduced for a killer running T3 Stridor. It's more of a soft counter.
No Mither + Iron Will = Total silence even against a T3 Stridor... Not that you would ever want to run this combo b/c it's so bad.....
Stridor = Breathing
Iron Will = Grunts of Pain
They are not the same
OK, yeah you're right. Checked wiki. Apparently, injured survivors have different breathing noise.
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These forums are really just to back up the devs, though, apparently, that's pretty much all that I ever see in the comments replying to actually have the devs balance the game, in a board that's all about that as a topic.
There is no other killer who comes close to having such a broken add-on.
Nurse's Omega/3rd blink are far more broken than beads, and never touched.
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Some counter play is to not be on the gen after the spirit hooks someone, till you know you're safe.
Pay attention to the grass/corn/etc around you.
Although I do think this addon needs a down side and the rarity should be swapped with Father's Glasses.0
