With The meta being shifted. Nurse Nerf When?
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Nurse isnt even close to having the highest ceiling lol
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I never understood why people keep saying this
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You can say she has the *highest skill floor to be decent* and i would 100% agree with that but ceiling wise there are tons of killers with higher ceiling.
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Oh I'm agreeing with you.
I think Huntress, Death slinger, Twins, Blight , and Hag all have higher skill ceilings then nurse.
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I'm not really for nurse nerfs as much as I am completely reworking or removing her from the game.
She doesn't belong in her current state.
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Since killer perks will be changed aswell, you wont have a problem if survivors gets nerfed aswell, right?
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Nurse is something for Killer like Dead hard for Survivor.
Useless in newbie's hand, zero counter in high skill's
There are a few maps that has multiple gym stays next to each other, allow to mind game Nurse (Suffo pit in MacMillan, Crotus). Otherwise, you have to keep mind game in a single gym title, you can mind game her and leave the title, but you dont have speed to reach to another gym.
Some map like Auto heaven barely have any cover to mind game Nurse at all.
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I see tournament players using NOED on Nurse and camping heavily in order to get a 2k.
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I agree that tournament play favors survivors heavily and despite what people say you can run even a god nurse if you know what you are doing.
That being said tournament play isnt dbd, it affects less than 1 percent of the top 1 percent of players. Nurse is amazing vs most survivors with some practice and what doesnt help is that the most common response to a good nurse is giving up on hook and moving on to an easier killer.
Survivors cant play against nurse because they refuse to play against her and just whine on forums.
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No, tournaments plays don´t represent the main dbd playerbase just as god nurses don´t represent the main nurse playerbase.
Nurse requires a hefty amount of time to master her. Especially to reach god nurse levels. If survivors would take even a fraction of that time to learn her weaknesses and how to play against her, then nobody would complain about her.
I´m all in for balancing the nurse, when this game gets balanced around the top level playerbase. With balancing i also mean, making her more accessible for newer players. So the abysmal low kill rate gets somewhere around the middle field. Not just nerfing her, because the top 1% players know how to play her.
I mean, the devs are doing so much, to make the game easier to access for newer players. There definetly should be something in for nurses as well.
So yes, i agree with you.
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I kind of like she requires a lot of training. Making her easier to use would greatly reduce the satisfaction of playing her well.
It's just a basic delayed gratification thing.
It's kind of the same as being able to hit survivors cross-map with Huntress. It takes quite some training (for me at least) but then that squishy sound feels so satisfying.
Of course, you are right about the survivors not even remotely trying as much to counter her than to play her. It's probably one of the reason the worst Nurse nightmares are other Nurse players.
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Nurse does not have the highest skill ceiling, not even top 5
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I much rather face a nurse than a trickster...but thats just my 2cents....
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I main trickster I got to agree
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Huntress is another good example. I often see people complain about "truck sized hatchet hit boxes" when its actually really hard to make long range hits. Or even short ones over obstacles like a fence or a car. Which hit thin air.
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Whats wrong with SWF? Just because you find 1 tourney squad in 1000 matches doesnt make the other 99% you encounter OP.
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Should be obvious that the Killer who does not even need Perks should be nerfed.
But will never happen.
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Wanna know whats ironic? Devs confirmed that Nurse has the lowest kill rate of all killers. But won´t buff her, because she´s a special case.
Devs also confirmed that SWF has a 15% higher escape rate and intend to bring solos closer to that level (instead of nerfing SWF).
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Why would we use kill rates in this case? Shouldnt we look at things at their highest potential?
Most SWF's I bet arent even recognized because theyre not this death squad people make them out to be, some are literally just friends just trying to have a good time. How ever when used as an advantage, THAT is a problem.
Same can be applied to Nurse, most of them arent gods but its not like shes rocket science either. A person who just invests a bit of time actually learning her will destroy most lobbies
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So in accordanve with the fact that swf will probably never get nerfed, so nurse should also never get nerfed?
That's the takeaway when you make the reverse argument here. Either the top of both sides needs trimming or none of the two.
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Both sides need their fair share of nerfs
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Good, then maybe both should also be called in the same breath, otherwise we get the same subjectively unfair timing in nerfs as with Mori/key and others i can't remember ATM.
Edit: Which would be my biggest worry in the "buffing solo to swf level and balancing killer accordingly" topic. If the do something like that and take again months to years for the second half then they will either kill their game effectively or shy away from the process like they did with so many promised changes.
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Yes, it's sheer ignorance. (Or incompetence, one never being far from the other.)
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Well, i never said, that the devs take the highest performing SWF squads, when talking about the 15% higher escape rate. They could mean just a normal group of friends, thats chatting and laughing, while still escaping much more often than solos.
And for nurse, it just isn´t a bit of time investment. Otherwise her kill rate would be much, much higher.
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We know Nurse Is Perfect, only thing i said was "we'll nerf her if SURVIVORS get Nerfed hardcore,"
otherwise, keep nurse the same tyvm =D
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No she is underpowered. pls buff bhvr
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You lose to bad teammates against nurse 9/10 times. This as always been and will always be. Instead of doing anything about it she just received new weapons for her arsenal and it's just obnoxious and off putting to say the least.
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Yeah...but this is BHVR, 40 perk changes will just mean number changes, wether good or bad, so meta will definitely stay meta
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The issue is, that if the devs nerf her, because people dc/suicide so much against her. Then whats stopping them from doing the exact same thing with any other killer they dislike?
This behavior shouldn´t get rewarded.
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i haven't seen a nurse in ages they down there with twins
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