A Legion rework that eliminates Deep Wound cheese but still buffs Legion.

No, thanx. We don't need another M1 killer like Freddy. Why would you use frenzy if it would be totally useless? You'll can't anymore vault pallets and neither put down survivors. He needs a rework, but what you said is a freddy 2.0 but 15% better.

You got some good points I'd agree with but I think you over complicated it some. The devs have very little resources and are very slow on changes. They need something that is very quick and easy to implement.

Just get rid of the cheese nonsense of following blood backwards. Then give him normal 115% move speed like you said, followed by a longer base duration Feral Frenzy.

This moves his Feral Frenzy to being used to apply pressure and slow down the survivors. They will also now waste time healing against him because he has 115% move speed and can just M1 them if they stay injured.

It's the easiest changes for them to implement without a lot of work.

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You got some good points I'd agree with but I think you over complicated it some. The devs have very little resources and are very slow on changes. They need something that is very quick and easy to implement.

Just get rid of the cheese nonsense of following blood backwards. Then give him normal 115% move speed like you said, followed by a longer base duration Feral Frenzy.

This moves his Feral Frenzy to being used to apply pressure and slow down the survivors. They will also now waste time healing against him because he has 115% move speed and can just M1 them if they stay injured.

It's the easiest changes for them to implement without a lot of work.

You can moonwalk blood trails with every killer. Why would Legion a chase oriented killer not be able to do that?

Because it's not an issue with any other killer. Against any other killer the survivor isn't forced to stop and Mend. He shouldn't be able to because it results in a zero skill match that's boring for both sides. There's zero counter play.

Not all situations are supposed to have counters. Is it great till with? Not at all, and that comes from someone who is pretty much a killer main. Legion needs a rework that solves their problems, but not being able to follow blood isn't even close to solving the issue. If that were the case, No Mither would be a great perk to have against Legion, but its the opposite. Even if you get rid of seeing blood all Legion has to do to is just break chase by looking away and still walking you're general path. The player isn't gonna stop hearing you and it isn't hard for Legion to break chase because they're slow. You'd still need to stop and mend which allows them to catch up to you.

@No_Mither_No_Problem
I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem
I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.

It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something.

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:
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@Nickenzie said:

@No_Mither_No_Problem

I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.

It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something.

Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors.

But then you have to remember that SWF exists.

Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea!

Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion.

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@Nickenzie said:

@No_Mither_No_Problem

I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.



It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something.

Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors.

But then you have to remember that SWF exists.

Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion.

I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea.

Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh.

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:
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@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: @No_Mither_No_Problem I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho. It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something.



Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors.

But then you have to remember that SWF exists.



Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion.

I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea.

Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh.

Here's my idea, if we have to keep Legion's power chase-oriented.

Remember how I said I made a Killer that had a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy? Well, let's put that power on Legion.

Feral Frenzy

The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.

After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:
-The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.
-The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.
-Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.
-At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.

Not bad to be honest but what if we could decrease the terror radius just a little bit, ya know?

Deep wounded survivors CANNOT hear anything, literally. This will give the Legion time to sneak up on Deep wounded survivors, ya know?

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:
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@Nickenzie said:

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@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:    @No_Mither_No_Problem    I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.        It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something. Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors. But then you have to remember that SWF exists. Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion.



I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea.



Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh.

Here's my idea, if we have to keep Legion's power chase-oriented.

Remember how I said I made a Killer that had a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy? Well, let's put that power on Legion.

Feral Frenzy

The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.

After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:

-The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.

-The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.

-Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.

-At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.

Not bad to be honest but what if we could decrease the terror radius just a little bit, ya know?

Deep wounded survivors CANNOT hear anything, literally. This will give the Legion time to sneak up on Deep wounded survivors, ya know?

Oh, no, this Legion HAS no Deep Wound. He's a 115 Killer with a 32-meter Terror Radius, and he has no Deep Wound.

Hmm, I really do feel like your suggestion will work out but how will skill come to play when you use his power? Whenever I get downed by a Nurse, I accept it because blinks are really difficult to hit sometimes, ya know?

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@Nickenzie said:
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@Nickenzie said:

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@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:    No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: @No_Mither_No_Problem I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho. It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something.        Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors.    But then you have to remember that SWF exists.        Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion. I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea. Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh. :(



Here's my idea, if we have to keep Legion's power chase-oriented.

Remember how I said I made a Killer that had a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy? Well, let's put that power on Legion.

Feral Frenzy

The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.

After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:

-The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.

-The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.

-Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.

-At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.



Not bad to be honest but what if we could decrease the terror radius just a little bit, ya know?

Deep wounded survivors CANNOT hear anything, literally. This will give the Legion time to sneak up on Deep wounded survivors, ya know?

Oh, no, this Legion HAS no Deep Wound. He's a 115 Killer with a 32-meter Terror Radius, and he has no Deep Wound.

Hmm, I really do feel like your suggestion will work out but how will skill come to play when you use his power? Whenever I get downed by a Nurse, I accept it because blinks are really difficult to hit sometimes, ya know?

He has a channeling period that Survivors can see and hear, it only lasts 3 seconds by default, he cannot vault or break pallets quickly without Momentum, and if he misses the attack, he's punished with an early fatigue. Again, it's a mix between Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy. There is a large window for the Survivor to try to mindgame it or, what will most likely happen, to run away—which is why they're a 115 Killer, just like Pig.

Oh, we're making ground now but what's the cool down? Is it like Spirit's power where you have to wait till it's fully charged in order to use it?

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@Nickenzie said:
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@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:    No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:    @No_Mither_No_Problem    I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.        It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something. Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors. But then you have to remember that SWF exists. Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion.        I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea.        Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh. Here's my idea, if we have to keep Legion's power chase-oriented. Remember how I said I made a Killer that had a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy? Well, let's put that power on Legion. Feral Frenzy The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality. After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy: -The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period. -The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses. -Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out. -At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration. Not bad to be honest but what if we could decrease the terror radius just a little bit, ya know?

Deep wounded survivors CANNOT hear anything, literally. This will give the Legion time to sneak up on Deep wounded survivors, ya know?



Oh, no, this Legion HAS no Deep Wound. He's a 115 Killer with a 32-meter Terror Radius, and he has no Deep Wound.

Hmm, I really do feel like your suggestion will work out but how will skill come to play when you use his power? Whenever I get downed by a Nurse, I accept it because blinks are really difficult to hit sometimes, ya know?

He has a channeling period that Survivors can see and hear, it only lasts 3 seconds by default, he cannot vault or break pallets quickly without Momentum, and if he misses the attack, he's punished with an early fatigue. Again, it's a mix between Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy. There is a large window for the Survivor to try to mindgame it or, what will most likely happen, to run away—which is why they're a 115 Killer, just like Pig.

Oh, we're making ground now but what's the cool down? Is it like Spirit's power where you have to wait till it's fully charged in order to use it?

No, you can use it at any time. There isn’t a timer or a power gauge or anything. It’s as ready to use as Nurse’s blink—as in, the only time she can’t blink is when she’s blinking.

Alright, with everything out of the way, I'll like to suggest some things for a secondary power if necessary. Hopefully, you'll like the idea behind it!

Feral Frenzy (Primary Power)

The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.

After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:

-The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.

-The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.

-Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.

-At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.

Destructive Nature (Secondary Power)

The Legion found ways to kill his victims without a trace with proper execution.

They start with enough materials to trap 5 survivors while they are in dying state:

-The legion will spend a short amount of time restraining the dying survivor while planting an explosive directly to the survivor (~5 seconds).

-The explosive will detonate after a while (~2 minutes) with the explosion killing any survivor in range.

-Survivors can see trapped survivor's auras.

-Other survivors can spend time disarming the explosives while freeing the dying survivor (~10 seconds).

-Survivors will automatically progress to the next hook phase when they're trapped and trapping the same survivor will decrease the detonation time (by 1 minute).

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:
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@Nickenzie said:

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@Nickenzie said:

No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:

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@Nickenzie said: @No_Mither_No_Problem I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho. It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something.        Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors.    But then you have to remember that SWF exists.        Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion. I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea. Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh. :(        Here's my idea, if we have to keep Legion's power chase-oriented.    Remember how I said I made a Killer that had a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy? Well, let's put that power on Legion.    Feral Frenzy    The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.    After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:    -The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.    -The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.    -Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.    -At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.        Not bad to be honest but what if we could decrease the terror radius just a little bit, ya know?

Deep wounded survivors CANNOT hear anything, literally. This will give the Legion time to sneak up on Deep wounded survivors, ya know? Oh, no, this Legion HAS no Deep Wound. He's a 115 Killer with a 32-meter Terror Radius, and he has no Deep Wound.

Hmm, I really do feel like your suggestion will work out but how will skill come to play when you use his power? Whenever I get downed by a Nurse, I accept it because blinks are really difficult to hit sometimes, ya know?



He has a channeling period that Survivors can see and hear, it only lasts 3 seconds by default, he cannot vault or break pallets quickly without Momentum, and if he misses the attack, he's punished with an early fatigue. Again, it's a mix between Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy. There is a large window for the Survivor to try to mindgame it or, what will most likely happen, to run away—which is why they're a 115 Killer, just like Pig.

Oh, we're making ground now but what's the cool down? Is it like Spirit's power where you have to wait till it's fully charged in order to use it?

No, you can use it at any time. There isn’t a timer or a power gauge or anything. It’s as ready to use as Nurse’s blink—as in, the only time she can’t blink is when she’s blinking.

Alright, with everything out of the way, I'll like to suggest some things for a secondary power if necessary. Hopefully, you'll like the idea behind it! Feral Frenzy (Primary Power)

The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.

After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:

-The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.

-The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.

-Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.

-At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.

Destructive Nature (Secondary Power)

The Legion found ways to kill his victims without a trace with proper execution.

They start with enough materials to trap 5 survivors while they are in dying state:

-The legion will spend a short amount of time restraining the dying survivor while planting an explosive directly to the survivor (~5 seconds).

-The explosive will detonate after a while (~2 minutes) with the explosion killing any survivor in range.

-Survivors can see trapped survivor's auras.

-Other survivors can spend time disarming the explosives while freeing the dying survivor (~10 seconds).

-Survivors will automatically progress to the next hook phase when they're trapped and trapping the same survivor will decrease the detonation time (by 1 minute).

Running a lug build on Legion would make that absolutely uncounterable.

Lug? What is a lug build?

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@Nickenzie said:    No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:

@Nickenzie said:    @No_Mither_No_Problem    I really like these changes since it can stall the game but... I feel like legion needs a secondary power like Amanda. I don't know what it could be tho.        It's ironic you say that, because I actually designed a Killer whose power was like a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy, and when talking amongst my friends, I refer to it as "What Legion should have been".

It would be cool if legion could disguise himself as a random survivor. Once disguised, you can sneak behind a survivor to hold a knife to their throat or something. Yeah, especially considering the trailer portrays him as such, hell, their walk cycles aren’t that dissimilar to that of the Survivors. But then you have to remember that SWF exists. Yeah maybe, we probably need to scrap that idea! Secondary Power: (Blood Hound)

This is a passive power, the legion will have a blood seeking dog roam around the map. Whenever a survivor is within a 32 meter range and is affected by the deep wound status effect, the blood hound will pursue the target. If the survivor is unlucky, the blood hound will catch up and attack the survivor, putting them in dying state. Once in dying state, the hound will hold the dying survivor in place and protect them from other survivors. Survivors that get too close to the protected survivor risk getting mauled and getting put into dying state as well. While the blood hound is protecting the dying survivor, its aura is revealed to the Legion.        I don't agree with this. This takes the low skill ceiling of Legion and takes it from uncounterable but weak to uncounterable and OP. He literally gets a free down and permanent slug. That's not a good idea.        Nah, the dog will move at 100% ms so you'll have to cut the survivor off without using your power. Additionally, the dog can only slug one survivor at a time sooooo rgsivbsvsjdj...

Edit: Legion is hard to fix tbh. Here's my idea, if we have to keep Legion's power chase-oriented. Remember how I said I made a Killer that had a mix between the Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy? Well, let's put that power on Legion. Feral Frenzy The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality. After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy: -The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period. -The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses. -Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out. -At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration. Not bad to be honest but what if we could decrease the terror radius just a little bit, ya know?

Deep wounded survivors CANNOT hear anything, literally. This will give the Legion time to sneak up on Deep wounded survivors, ya know?        Oh, no, this Legion HAS no Deep Wound. He's a 115 Killer with a 32-meter Terror Radius, and he has no Deep Wound.

Hmm, I really do feel like your suggestion will work out but how will skill come to play when you use his power? Whenever I get downed by a Nurse, I accept it because blinks are really difficult to hit sometimes, ya know? He has a channeling period that Survivors can see and hear, it only lasts 3 seconds by default, he cannot vault or break pallets quickly without Momentum, and if he misses the attack, he's punished with an early fatigue. Again, it's a mix between Pig's dash and Feral Frenzy. There is a large window for the Survivor to try to mindgame it or, what will most likely happen, to run away—which is why they're a 115 Killer, just like Pig.

Oh, we're making ground now but what's the cool down? Is it like Spirit's power where you have to wait till it's fully charged in order to use it?



No, you can use it at any time. There isn’t a timer or a power gauge or anything. It’s as ready to use as Nurse’s blink—as in, the only time she can’t blink is when she’s blinking.



Alright, with everything out of the way, I'll like to suggest some things for a secondary power if necessary. Hopefully, you'll like the idea behind it! Feral Frenzy (Primary Power)

The Legion enters a rabid, high-speed rampage for a brief period of time, augmenting his speed, agility, and lethality.

After a brief channel (~2 seconds), the Legion enters a Feral Frenzy. During a Frenzy:

-The Legion sprints at a high movement speed (150%) for 3 seconds, after which they enter a brief recovery period.

-The Legion can attack during a Frenzy, which instantly ends the rest of their timer regardless of whether or not it misses.

-Moving forward without sharp or heavy turning during a Frenzy builds up Momentum. Momentum takes a total of 2 seconds to cap out.

-At 50% Momentum, the Legion can vault in the middle of a Frenzy. At 100% Momentum, the vault is much faster, and charging into dropped pallets will break them at double the normal speed. Vaulting or breaking a pallet during a Frenzy pauses the timer for the total of its duration.

Destructive Nature (Secondary Power)

The Legion found ways to kill his victims without a trace with proper execution.

They start with enough materials to trap 5 survivors while they are in dying state:

-The legion will spend a short amount of time restraining the dying survivor while planting an explosive directly to the survivor (~5 seconds).

-The explosive will detonate after a while (~2 minutes) with the explosion killing any survivor in range.

-Survivors can see trapped survivor's auras.

-Other survivors can spend time disarming the explosives while freeing the dying survivor (~10 seconds).

-Survivors will automatically progress to the next hook phase when they're trapped and trapping the same survivor will decrease the detonation time (by 1 minute).

Running a lug build on Legion would make that absolutely uncounterable.

Lug? What is a lug build?

Slug*

Actually, this would be a slugging war, it just makes it were you don't have to carry survivors to the hook. However, we do have something very special here and legion will be viable with your changes!

This, nerf Franks Mix Tape (everyone dcs on it anyways), and make deep wound not continue/down you if you are stop mending with the killer 10 meters away. This will stop the stupid breakchase cheese.