Why dead hard should be nerfed

When does this ever happen??

To be fair COH should have never been released in the state that it did. Honestly makes me worry since BHVR developers have now went 2 for 2 on Survivor only releases where they both had busted perks that should have never been released in the state that they came out in. However, these are the same developers that had the astounding foresight to come out with Hex: Pentimento soon after introducing the boon mechanic in the first place. Only now months after do they come up with yet another Band-Aid that is yet another half-baked idea to a mechanic that in my opinion was also half baked.

I agree on the lax of strong Survivor perks that have been introduced but I believe that it is the fault of DH. This is the reason why the meta needs changing in the first place but there are only two ways to change a meta in any game. The first is to power creep the current meta, which would end up being disastrous if done incorrectly (see again release states of MOM and COH). The second would be to nerf the most problematic things about the current meta so that it forces people to at least look at other things. DH itself is the reason that BHVR developers cannot come up with other strong perks because it represents a roadblock that they cannot surpass, much like Nurse on the Killer side. After all, why use something that is weaker than what I already have?

In my opinion the best way to "nerf" it without it losing the skillful applications of it would be to just have it lose its invincibility and have it on a 60s cooldown. That way Survivors that don't time it right can still be hit and not be carried by I-frames and can yet still use it to extend chases.

In my opinion the perfect nerf would be only give invulnerability if the survivor had the broken status but otherwise keep it the same.

Maybe the person you're replying to doesn't know that the devs have said that DH has issues/is literally slated for change and is not arguing in bad faith.

Hope this is the case, at least.

Mind game that get totally nullified when won by the killer if the survivor have DH

To say that you definetly never played high mmr matches.

You can wait in the open, but you can't wait in the jungle gym otherwise they reach the pallet/window.

In otherwords, whatever you do, you are screwed.

so we got to explain again that in a 4v1 game the one as to be stronger than the 4 by essence ?

You do realize that the killer is chasing the survivor and not the other way around, don't you? That's why as a survivor you often wait around corners because you can react better that way. It's not the game's intention that you can lose the killer easily. You have those loops to delay the killer not to completely stop them. If a killer had no chance of mindgaming you that would mean they had to break every pallet on the map and then MAYBE they might get a hit. But how do you mindgame shack or other strong structures where survivors can see you most of the time? By using your killer's power if possible.

Because this is a 4vs1 the killer needs to have a significant advantage over the survivors or they have no chance at all. Just look at Sadako. She has nothing in chase. Her stealth won't help with super safe tiles like jungle gyms, shack and whatever else you can find on the map.

That's why these killers require you to play smart and in a different way other than the average M1 Trapper. There are exactly 2 scenarios I would agree on. Pyramid Head and Leatherface have little to no counterplay in those situations. Do you see them overperforming? No. Because as I mentioned you need to play different against them. Don't even let them get you in such a situation. I know that's easier said than done but it's possible. Otherwise you wouldn't see as many survivor compilations with those killers getting completely outplayed. You are not supposed to close your eyes, nap for a bit and then when the gens are done escape. That's not how it works. The killer outplays you and you get hit. You outplay the killer and you prevent that hit. The real issue is that with the simple press of a button you can do that as well. Only now the killer doesn't really have the power to prevent that. As mentioned before: If the killer doesn't swing you don't need to use Dead Hard and when they do swing you can still use it. And of course there is our beloved "Press for E for distance", which was never inteded by BHVR, since the idea was to dodge a hit and not prevent the killer from getting into posisition to down you, and is also uncounterable.

Do you really fall for those, and see survivors frequently doing so?

First off "extending a loop" is too broad and generalized.

You (like everyone and their mother on here) claim one single scenario completely ignoring the other many scenarios in which DH isn't useful and you can bait it out.

In order to use DH properly you HAVE to have the right distance. If you are too close to the pallet it will not, I repeat: IT WILL NOT give you the pallet vaccuum (I.E. prompt to drop) if you are too far you won't even make it to said pallet. So the notion that EVERY single time it is used to extend a loop is BS. That is just 1 example where you can bait DH out, because unless you swing early, it will not work. Period.

You are right about pickrate, but the problem is the people who are using that information as evidence/context that the perk is somehow "OP" or unbalanced. That is what I have a problem with, and honestly it's a problem with these forums.

Waiting until you finally have the mercy to press E and I can hit you isn't fun for me!

Things like that ^ do not warrant balancing of a perk. This is why people bring up OTHER things that are also unfun, because if we set down the same standard for everything that is deemed "unfun" this game would not be what it is right now. One could argue that Anti-loop killers have no counter other than pressing W which doesn't work sometimes because of it's dependability on Map RNG, does that mean that every anti-loop killer should get hit with the nerf hammer? I don't think so, and I don't think you guys would be happy with that either.

You are wrong that most killers are fine with losing a match, nobody likes losing. That is a fact.

It is not that we enjoy the "losing" part itself. No one does. We play this game to have fun. Unless we're literally getting paid for it. Winning a match doesn't mean the match was fun. Would you like to go against afk killers and survivors every match? It's a free win but no fun. I enjoy going against good survivors even when I can't beat them because it challenges me and, at least in my case, they sometimes aknowledge that I tried my best and even help me practise mindgames or my killer's power on a specific structure (rare but it happens). I main Hillbilly and play mostly without addons, using my chainsaw more than necessary because I just happen to like that, which limits my abilities massively so I find myself quite often in a position where I can't really do much with my power. As killers we want to have good chases (whatever that means for each individual player) or some strategy come in clutch. There are always people that feel frustrated after losing (on both sides) and want to win every single match. But as soon as the initial sting wears off a bit even they won't argue that fun is not determined specifically by winning or losing. Part of that frustration problem is the introduction of MMR I think because it made the game go in a more competitive direction.

The main issue with Dead Hard is now that my matches feel even more repetetive than usual and also the before mentioned scenarios. These situations don't occur in 1 in a 100 matches but in most of them actually. Would anyone rewatch their favorite episode of a TV series multiple times every single day? Probably not and for the same reason I think Dead Hard and pretty much the current META in generell is an issue. If it happens to often we first get used to it, then bored, then annoyed and then avoid it, if possible.

This is a 5 pages long discussion about Dead Hard. Did you even read more than 1 the first post? That argument has been made and counterpoints were stated.

If you honestly think that CoH is useless and never used anymore, you clearly are either not actually playing the game or are not debating in good faith. I'm sorry, but there's no point in further discussion.