Hook Camping Should Be Nerfed

Few killers can force camping effectively. With a few situational exceptions survivors have the chance to counter this with coordination alone; 2nd chance perks like bt aren't even needed but do additionally contribute to the odds of success.

For all those complaining that they don't get a chance to play, your control of the situation ends when you fail to avoid the down. Dying on hook from a camp or tunnel is a result of your failed chases and then the team's for not making the attempt to overcome the opposition.

Tried this kinda thing already, survivors abused it, so survivors don't get to have hook techs

yes for sure BUT...... you have to either fix bad map design or fix gen speeds first to start punishing hook camping cause high MMR without camping is almost imposible to win. (I hate this playstyle but there no other way to win against people that know how to connect tiles on maps and making chases taking a looooong time)

you know getting 5 safe tiles and not being able to down a single survivor plus gens getting done in about 30 seconds at the start of the match isnt fair too. (if you dont do something with gens or map design first ...them many killer will probably leave if you punish camping with how BS are the maps sometimes currently)

That depends. If we're talking about a competitive sport then it is not a good reason.

If we're talking about broader customer appeal then possibly. If you want a wider customer base than whether it is overall healthy for the game, attracting and retaining players then it is a consideration.

This is just a video game afterall. When the devs finish their health update we'll see how it goes anyway.

Grabbing healthy survivors needs to go. Camping is advantaged because survivors have no protections doing it, so killers who are poor chasers can just stay by the hook and 'chase' the same survivors they cannot catch normally there.

They probably will when they change the meta

something is a little sus about the post history of op and the first reply...

They did said they’d make base changes after DS and BT changes. Think they’ll be bad changes?

Well if your only appeal is to have easy mode for survs then enjoy your 4 v generator simulator.

Not every survivor can be saved.

The game is about simple pressure, if a killer doesn't get a hook before 2 gens are done then camping really only becomes the viable option unless you have some end game build.

For a killer behind there is very few options to create pressure, kicking gens is meaningless, chases can be endless with d.h so why not use bait and go fishing, at the least you'll get 1 kill. Most of the times you get another or potentially 4.

There are plenty of things i don't find "fun" in dbd but i understand that that is how tactics work.

Of course it is. As a dev you want to make sure both sides are as unfun as possible. Having a strategy that is incredibly unfun to go against and takes 0 effort shouldn't be one of the most viable strategies in the game. Not even close. It should be incredibly weak. That's just obvious game design.

If there is a strategy that the vast majority of players dislike, something should be done about it.

Not to mention that camping in particular hurts solo survivors more than swf.

Body block what entrance? The 2 doors? The wide stairs?

I'm not a survivor main so it'll be kind of hard for me to do 4 v generator. I work in business and I'm pointing out that, if a tactic loses more customers than it gains, then from a business perspective it makes sense to change it.

Will the devs consider that? No idea but people can't exactly say that DbD is losing its playerbase and then say the devs can't do things to entice people in. No idea how changing camping would affect it. This is just a video game, however, not a sport that has to be kept pure and, to keep things in perspective, it's an outlet for entertainment value and nothing more.

It is highly subjective. That's why I said maybe. I have no idea myself if the devs would change aspects of base game mechanics to compensate for it or, at least, I hope they would but it is just a video game. In my opinion, face camping is unhealthy for the game, proxy camping is unavoidable no matter what unless the hook mechanic is reworked and, factually, I have no access to the data so I can't say whether any changes would increase or decrease the player base.

My point was, though, that fun is definitely a consideration in whether or not something should happen in a video game. DbD isn't a spectator sport nor is there any large market for it as an esport. Video games succeed or fail on the basis of whether or not they're fun enough to attract enough players.

I don't know, that could act as infinite health for survivors who loop decently near the hook.

I think basekit bt that deactivates if you take a hit for someone would be better.

But as I said, making map smaller doesnt balance it. You would have to make loops and pallets stronger. You would have hooks 2 seconds away, making wiggling completely pointless. It would 100% make gen rushing more prevalent. You would have to nerf and buff alot of perks to fit the new map realities.

Back to my question how does map size affect the killer who wouldnt be able to even sniff the unhooked survivor. You could make the map 1 by 1 meter long and the killer would have to stand there and do nothing for a minute so that he could finally down him the survivor. You could say that without it (1min immunity) they would just tunnel and camp the other person but the game will still end before that happens especially if the survivor got BT effect and DS. So instead they could know that they cant do anything to the person that was unhooked, instead focus on either the person who unhooked or stop the other 2 surivors doing gens.

I suppose it depends which side I'm playing and what perks seemed fun to choose.

I think this is something people don't realize about the survivor role that loss of license is part of survivor game play, its why you have a team.

This is another thing people don't realize about the game, their version of fun isn't the universal definition of fun. "I personally don't find it fun" isn't enough of a reason to change something for everyone.

Wonderfull idea, So I can get body blocked by someone not only for 12 seconds but for a whole minute !

Unless you want the unhooked survivor to become a ghost of somekind that materialize back only when interacting with anything ?

Short answer is no. Long answer has many things behind it. Killers can have their "favorite hook", which is a hook that spawns right in the middle of a strong trigen, or right into a critical choke point of the map. Camping these kinds of hooks is an extremely good decision, as you can have absolute control of that area, forcing survivors to take more risky choices. In a lot of matches, especially in bigger maps, the killer's information perks will let him know where the other survivors are. And will let them know if walking down to flush them out of the gen they're working is doable, or if they'll just see the gen complete halfway. If the killer decides to try and stop the gen and loses it, they also give a risk-free unhook to the survivor team. So in these situations where you physically is unable to protect a gen, might as well protect something, which is the hook. And some killers, most notably Hag, Trapper and Demogorgon, are EXTREMELY territorial killers, and excel at defending their turf, which includes the "favorite hook". After all gens are done, the killer has literally nowhere else to go, so standing by the hook camping it is most of the times their only option, same can be said on endgame collapse.

Nerfing hook camping isn't any solution, it will only destroy some killer concepts without anything in return. Killers shouldn't be forced to leave a hook because they'll be punished by the game for staying, they should WANT to leave the hook by having a good reward in their grasp. Same can be said about tunnelling down a survivor, the reward for doing so early on is too high, and decides the whole match, but perks like No Way Out and Barbecue give different rewards for killers who don't tunnel.

Now, there's the "noob hook facecamp". You got targeted by this, I got targeted by this, everyone got targeted by it. On your casual match, Mr. Leatherface downs a survivor with his chainsaw, then carries them to a hook. Then they just stand there looking his food dead in the eye, because he knows survivors cannot do anything about it. Mr. Leatherface will most likely lose the match, by getting a single kill, maybe a second if the winds are in their favor. Mr. Leatherface will be happy anyways, because they aren't hungry anymore, and they killed someone, YAAAAY. This is a problem on the game, and it has a very simple counter, but it is extremely boring, which is doing gens as fast as humanly possible, opening the gates and leaving before Mr. Leatherface makes their way to another survivor. Should BHVR ever want to deal with that, and honestly, they sould want to, they'll need to break Leatherface's legs and rework his chainsaw. But we already have another chainsaw killer, it would be hard to do something different that isn't already what's going on.

The solution to your problem is very complex. BHVR needs to find a way to reward the killer that leaves their hook with something that rivals the sheer pressure behind rubber-banding, hook stages, and premature removal of a survivor, and that at the same time doesn't break the game. And the existance of perks like Borrowed Time and Decisive Strike makes camping even stronger, since they cannot be activated if unhooks don't happen, it is a direct counter to 2 of the strongest survivor perks in the game.

If, for example, two survivors are injured and choose to slam a gen out before healing so one of them can save, then I should not be punished for turning and sitting at the hook to guarantee that survivor goes struggle. If you are going to play greedy then I should have the ability to punish you for it.

A lot of people don't want to fix the problem they just want to punish the killer and make saving someone free, and that I just really don't think is a good, or healthy, idea. In fact, a lot of people who suggest fixes are basically all about giving one survivor who is hooked completely and totally immunity from the killer and being able to just be freely saved. Okay, why even have people be hooked or saved at all then? Why not have them be randomly teleported like Pyramid Head's ability, and then they break out of the cage all by themselves 60 seconds later?

Somehow I get the feeling making a change that's going to upset people who play fairly and people who play "unfairly" isn't going to go over too well.