Vigil buff to make Exhaustion slowly but surely recover while running.

@Vert3x said:

@Didiez said:
Yeah, like the idea of exhaustion don't recover when running is for counter those sprint burst or Dead hard infinite loops. But it's not a bad Idea, I would use it in my builds.

There was nothing infinite with that, aside from Dead Hard being a pretty predictable perk to go up against, nothing was ever infinite, you simply found yourself dealing with them during a chase instead of at the beginning of it, that's it; and this change would also make it way weaker than it used to be.

I can bet this perk wouldn't even be any close to be too strong, just trust me instead of fearing any idea!
This is exactly what makes genrush a thing: limiting anything to survivors makes them feel more and more oppressed and will force them to only focus on sitting on generators, that's how it works.

And if you wanna talk about is fearing a idea then what about you and the fact you won’t believe us about infinite sprint burst loop? I’m not the only one who has mentioned it.

@Vert3x it didn’t recover any slower while you ran, and with vigil rank three it took 32 seconds.

@Vert3x said:

@KiraElijah said:
Imagine having lithe become useful again.. Not only that, but greatly powerful. Even if it took 3x as long it would only take 2 minutes. Something way too easy to do. Exhaustion is fine.

Not to be finicky, but it'd take 3 minutes and 20 seconds with Vigil on to recover from Exhaustion (5x as long), 1 min and 20 seconds make the difference to be totally honest..

You guys are reacting to an idea that would just improve Vigil to an average level like I was talking about making Decisive Strike give you a 50% bonus repair speed the whole match.

How would recovering from Exhaustion in over 3 minutes of chase be even close to being overpowered? It's quite hilarious guys, you're not proving any points, it is just nowhere close to being strong, accept it for God's sake.

Three minutes of chase is way too easy. If they last that long, the last thing they need is another SB

@The_Crusader said:
Serious question, why are some survivors so determined to have multiple exhaustion perks in a chase?

1 can already be extremely powerul.

Welcome Back, Crusader :chuffed:

@The_Crusader said:
KiraElijah said:

@The_Crusader said:

Serious question, why are some survivors so determined to have multiple exhaustion perks in a chase?

1 can already be extremely powerul.

Welcome Back, Crusader :chuffed:

Thank you my fellow Feng main.

They can't hold back the Feng army. I wonder if Malakir is unbanned too...me and him never really got on but I kinda miss him lol

I only recently became a Feng main, I saw some sweet cosmetics

@The_Crusader said:
KiraElijah said:

@The_Crusader said:

KiraElijah said:

@The_Crusader said:

Serious question, why are some survivors so determined to have multiple exhaustion perks in a chase?

1 can already be extremely powerul.



Welcome Back, Crusader :chuffed:



Thank you my fellow Feng main.

They can't hold back the Feng army. I wonder if Malakir is unbanned too...me and him never really got on but I kinda miss him lol

I only recently became a Feng main, I saw some sweet cosmetics

Please dont tell me its the blue hair and white mask? That's toxic Feng  haha

I save her for when I've been camped all night and need to bring the meta perks and unleash some stress.

nope, the new event cosmetics

I actually miss infinite sprint burst loops. At least when I played killer back when there was 2x Pallets and Insta-blind flashlights it actually felt like I won and not like the Devs just handed a win to me like it does now.

If my math is correct, at 20% recovery, a T3 Sprint Burst would take 72 seconds to fully recover. This of course, doesn't include the fact that you'd probably gain one or two, maybe three seconds near corners while you wait for Killer to commit to a direction and continue chase.

There's definitely ways to get sprint burst twice in a chase if all it takes is 72 seconds in that case.

@Vert3x said:

@tehshadowman33 said:
If my math is correct, at 20% recovery, a T3 Sprint Burst would take 72 seconds to fully recover. This of course, doesn't include the fact that you'd probably gain one or two, maybe three seconds near corners while you wait for Killer to commit to a direction and continue chase.

There's definitely ways to get sprint burst twice in a chase if all it takes is 72 seconds in that case.

Nice observation about sitting at corners without running to locate the killer better, it's important to point out that these situations only occur when the killer loses distance off the survivor, leaving them room to either try to stealth away or to do whatever, even simply to recover his Exhaustion.

Now when talking about those 72 seconds that you came up with, unless I misunderstood what you were talking about, it would definitely take longer than that with my idea applied.
20% = 20/100 = 1/5 = 0.2
40 seconds / 0.2 = 200 seconds, or 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
You either messed something up with your calculations, or you were talking about the old Vigil being applied to the Exhaustion that used to recover at 50% while running instead of 0% like now, which isn't out of context but I believe that you should've specified that if it's the case.

@poopman said:

@Vert3x said:
I recently started using Vigil again to test out how it feels, and yeah, it is definitely not worth it to use it for how it is now, so one really simple thought that I had about it was to make that 20% bonus apply no matter what.

Now, before I explain better, I would like to point out that I don't want to specifically refer to cases in which you're the perk holder or in which you're being given the buffs of the perk by someone else via range, but I'd rather talking specifically about the effects that the perk applies and how to possibly improve them.

So, what Vigil does is grabbing those 5 negative status effects, check if you're affected by them and if they're timed effects and if they are, it's gonna apply a 20% bonus speed in recovering from them.
The thing is, specifically referring to Exhaustion, when the standard recovery speed of the effect is set to 0% (after the nerf that Exhaustion got back in July, while running it's always gonna be set to 0%), Vigil isn't gonna increase that for some "proportionality priority" reasons.

Well, my point is that exactly those proportionality priority reasons should be worked around to just make sure that while you're running and you're affected by Exhaustion (with Vigil on), you should recover at 0% + 20% = 20% the normal recovery speed, that way you'd make the perk less useless, and at the same time you wouldn't get to the old 50% recovery speed which kind of sucked to deal with as killer, especially when it came down to Sprint Burst.

Let me know if you guys like this idea, I think that this perk is currently not overly bad, but it's definitely been forgotten by people and that's kind of sad since it used to be way more useful back in the days.

I'm a Killer main but I think this actually sounds like a good idea.
Especially because it would discourage Killers more from chasing people for too long and instead get back to doing the actual objective and trying to catch survivors offguard more.

Definitely agreed, I love to still see people supporting this, even though knowing the commitment from this development team and how much they ever look into these forums, this is likely to be never thought about or it's likely to have it implemented but just because they think themselves about it. I really feel like they should look more into these forums and check out some supported ideas about anything.

If you're saying 3 minutes and 20 seconds, I'm fine with that if you're using vigil for that. There's only a few maps where looping can be done for that amount of time.