General Discussions
General Discussions
Time to quit
As an exclusively solo survivor since 2017, the coming changes look disgusting for survivors, great for killers, they neeeded it but us solo players get screwed, yet again, this is the final nail in the coffin, this game was barely fun to begin with and now, it will truly be a miserable experience for solo
so they increase gen speeds, okay, so whats stopping killers from still bringing stacked regression perks, the devs took a problem and made it worse, right idea, stupid execution
every survivor meta perk decimated, why?, you kill perks because they are popular, thats backwards, are you going to nerf whatever paltry meta comes out of this because that too is popular, pathetic.
buffed bloodlust, thats also backwards
i was all for killer buffs, that seems great but to nerf survivors into the ground, i'm glad i didn't buy the last few DLCs 😅
expect a mass exodus of solo players when it goes live, killer queues will return to 30m and considerably less content being created by survivors, pretty good job so far
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I hate to say it but I’m not hopeful for this update either and if it’s as bad as it looks for solo I also don’t feel like it’s worth playing anymore.
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I agree.
it is time for a new batch of players to deal w/ BHVR''s mess
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Every game died which balanced around SWF, DbD wants to spit on majority of the playerbase
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Dont worry, if you cry enough they will revert some changes after PTB
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I hope you'll find something else you can enjoy and put your heart into!
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i have been playing alot of chivalry 2 and having so much fun with it, i am also in the vhs beta but barely touched it, so there's that i guess
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Ah I knew it, the "all change is bad" guy. They didn't increase gen speeds. They actually LOWERED them, now gens are 12% slower to repair. Generators are so insanely fast to repair that you basically need to bring slowdown and regression perks to avoid genrushing, and even then you still get genrushed.
"Every survivor meta perk decimated" are you saying that Decisive Strike in its current state is fun? BT as base kit is a nerf?? They actually buffed BT and now made it part of base kit, how is that bad in any way for Survivors? Did you actually even read the developer update patch notes at all, because they literally only somewhat decimated Spine Chill and Iron Will. If you're saying nerfing Self-Care, Spine Chill and Iron Will was this gigantic nerf that will destroy solo queue you're lying.
If you were playing DbD like Sam Fisher and avoiding chases, spamming DS right infront of the exit gates then this game is not for you. I think we're better off with less players who react negatively to a meta being SLIGHTLY, VERY SLIGHTLY nerfed and don't actually read the changelogs.
Thanks for quitting the game.
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It is clear as mud that BHVR hates survivors.
When they said generators are powered a little too quickly I rolled my eyes and said to myself:. where and when?
They nerfed gen regression perks but buffed other gen regression perks and still increased gen repair times too?
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Sluzzy do you think nurse might need a nerf as a result of these changes?
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ah i knew it, the "talks alot but says actually nothing guy", thats alot of words to say essentially nothing of substance
read the room 🤣
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100% agree, the devs don’t give one, top streamers highlighting the issues with solo q and all the comments surrounding them, they’ll essentially drain the solo q player pool and killers will be left with swfs.
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DS in the current state was needed because you know what also is unfun? tunneling and camping.
5 seconds BT basekit will do almost nothing against a killer who wants to camp and tunnel, specially now that DS was also double nerfed.
Yes, nerfing spine chill, iron will and even self care is a big nerf to solo q. Everyone with an IQ higher than a single digit can understand why.
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I feel like a lot of people will quit if these changes make it to live (myself included). Solo won't be playable. I'm honestly still shocked they even thought these changes (most, not all) were okay.
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Every killer needs a nerf. Survivors will be even more unfun and unwinnable
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Totally agree with you. 5 Seconds is nothing to a determined killer. As a primarily solo queue survivor Iron Will, Spine Chill, Self Care and some exhaustion perk were regularly part of my build.
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You could wait to try it out on the PTB and see what comes to live before crying that the sky is falling.
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How many gens usually get powered when you play nurse?
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You should not lose hope too quickly, nothing has been finally decided yet.
Let everyone check the changes on the PTB and read their feedback.
I have faith that BHVR will make changes if needed and not insist on releasing them despite the majority of the players' feedback.
But if they (God forbid) do it anyway, tag me and lecture me 😥
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because nobody playing killer anymore thats why they nerfing all survivor perk. try to learn killer while this quantity of player of both sides become equal
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You need 4 times the amount of survivors than you do killers. Also, that probably depends on regions but for most the day my survivor queues are instant and my killer queues are over 5 minutes long, literally never witnessed the "killer shortage" i keep hearing about.
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Huh? Mud isn't clear though?
I have never heard that phrase, it doesn't make sense
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Maybe you missed the part, where they nerfed the "stacked slowdown perks" hard. Like, trash level hard.
Or that Off the Record will turn into the new DS.
Or the basekit BT + speedboost.
Or the 2 perks that increase repair speed.
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Only at late evening and midnight.
The reason is because for most people only at those times possible to play in SWF
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Ah I knew it, the "skimmed through my post but didn't actually read any of it because all Survivor nerfs are bad and DSing right next to the exit gate is totally fun and fair, everyone loves tons of sandbagging too wdym Survivors can be brutally unfun to play against sometimes? No you're crazy."
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Or the HUGE BUFF TO BOTANY. Oh my god that is so tragic.
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Some regions have Killer shortages at certain times of the day, those same regions could have Survivor shortages as well. It's very region dependent, do consider 50 thousand people play this game daily around the world.
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Usually:. 1-3
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Do you reckon the devs were playing a drinking game and took a shot for every time the killers whined about something, got too drunk and came up with these changes?
Like IDC about DH/DS changes but IW was the only thing that allowed you to mindgame a god nurse with her million blinks. Do they know how much louder some survivors are?!
Is this why Maurice and the Observer left the game as well, huh??? 🧐
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👋 :)
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EDIT
Wrong person!
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i'm glad i didn't buy the last few DLCs
Yeah, I'm glad that they posted this still in time. I was just about to buy the "Portrait of a Murder" DLC in the PSN sale for Jonah but deleted it from my cart when I read the Update.
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Another survivor main crying help!
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I would give it a try, maybe Solo isnt as bad we think its going to be, altough I doubt it, camping was made stronger so people will camp even more and stuff like Nurse, Blight and Spirit who decimated Solos are going to be even harder to deal with because of the base changes, in any case the changes show a clear disconect from whoever makes the decissions and how the game is played but hey, its not my game so what do i know?.
Thats why Europe has Killer queues from morning until ~21:30 almost for 2 months straight, sometimes even 7 minutes queues, sure its because there are no Killers around...
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Thats hyperbolic. The changes arnt that bad unless you need those meta perks. Which good survivors dont really. What I'm concerned with is the camping tunneling change isnt big enough. Seems disproportionate killer buffs. The reason why I'm saying you're being hyperbolic is that they already said they are going to monitor the changes to make sure nothing gets out of hand. Which means that they are going to adjust things. Its not the end of the world just because changes were announced, and typically if theres a substantial issue to survivors BHVR are quick to fix it. So if you're worried thats fine but being all doom and gloom is not warranted
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Didn't the devs say there was a 15% difference in escape rates between soloq and swf? How are many of these changes meant to address that imbalance if the emphasis is now being put on people taking hits for each other. That level of coordination doesn't happen consistently even against swf's, let alone soloq where people get frightened because they heard the terror radius for 5 seconds.
Have I missed something?
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Im assuming since they are addressing the core balance like this they are planning on snipping other outliers like nurse and blight. Hopefully swf too but I think theres an argument to be made that the killer buffs might bring killers up to that level.
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Tried killer before and honestly took me 5 mins to get a game whilst survivor was instant. Unless it’s just an issue in the US but they shouldn’t really be forcing people to play a side they don’t want to play by nerfing player perks they like.
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Solo Survivors need some love! Integrated Kindred when you are solo would help a lot.
Or you could give a small Bloodpoint bonus. There are many things you could do to make the solo experience a bit better.
It's weird that they haven't tried anything even after so many years.
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Now the correct answer.
Overall, the survivor buffs look pretty good. We´ll get tank builds and running speed builds. So i really don´t get all the drama. Survivor is in a pretty good spot (maybe even a little op) right now.
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I guess you don't know how a single digit IQ person would perform, but I can never take this kind of claims seriously, no matter how well the rest might be constructed.
I think DS deactivating in the endgame is cool, but the nerf to 3s? I am a bit baffled by this myself, and I am a killer main.
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Yeah, I did have hope these changes would be good. Killer got some nice changes, they for some reason gave survivors haste and endurance off hook and made some bad perk decisions.
Overall these of course were probably it what people expected
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Killer meta perks nerfed: 7
Survivor meta perks nerfed: 5
Survivor meta perks massively buffed: 1
Killer non-meta perks buffed: 10
Survivor non-meta perks buffed: 16
BBQ lost it's BP bonus. WLGF lost it's BP bonus but got buffed.
Plus basekit BT with an added haste.
Plenty for survivors to be happy about.
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You guys are so dramatic
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Totatally feel you OP, but look at it a different way, a gift from the devs, the best decision they ever made. Tipping the scales so much, taking away so much fun that there is no reason to keep playing. I'll still enjoy some rounds before the update goes live, but after, I'm a free man again! Tbh I can't wait!
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Bloodweb got 4 times easier to level up so that BBQ thing is irrelevant, agreed on everything else.
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Imagine the insanely idiotic bodyblock plays with Off the Record, DS and Boon: Circle of Healing.
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As a solo survivor myself - you are being overly dramatic.
10 seconds is barely an inconvenience, it's like few stacks of Thanatophobia. All while none of the gen-speed increase perks or items were touched - you can still rush the hell out of a gen with Prove Thyself, Fast Track, Resilience, Spine Chill, Overzealous (even more so with it being buffed) and various toolboxes with various addons. What's stopping killers from bringing "stacked regression perks"? Um, gutted Ruin and torn down PGTW, for example. Or maybe Corrupt that doesn't drag out anymore, if killer is efficient enough with downing survivors. Tinkerer now gives less information, so you won't see Blights spamming Tinkerer/Ruin anymore. And Pain Res gives no info at all, nor do you get interupted, so comination with DMS is pretty much dead.
And "every survivor meta perk decimated" statement is false. Unbreakable, Adrenaline, Boons and Sprint Burst are untouched, BT is being pretty much buffed, DH needs testing in order to give opinions, IW and Spine Chill were never that good to begin with, Self Care is still incredibly viable when paired with Botany Knowledge, and while DS is indeed gutted - Off the Record is pretty much a replacement. And many survivor perks were buffed too.
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the changes were great for killers, except the bloodlust thing, thats just silly, killers really needed what they got but survivors got done dirty here, soloQ will be a miserable nightmare, over the many years its been hit after hit to soloQ, i think this is just way too far
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great for killers
Not really, no.
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They just had to do one thing: if 3+ players are in the ingame-friendlist, this survivors receive a speed penalty to all actions by X percent.
So 2 players together is fine, more receive nerfs.
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