The easiest way to remove tunneling and camping from the game

That's gonna make it so miserable for killer and probably survivor. There would be either a lot of slugging or a lot of waiting.

This change would require almost every aspect in the game to be looked at, rebalanced, overhauled, and tweaked; and that'd take forever.

How is someone dying on their first hook better than how the game is now with tunneling and camping? And if it's every 3rd hook, can't the killer still tunnel the same survivor for those 3 hooks? Also, I do think the hook timer needs to be extended but consider that survivors will have less incentive to go for the save at all if there is no hook timer pressuring them.

No! But you can give survivors perk which makes you able to give one hook state for other survivor kind of like for the people. Someone dying on first hook would be very unfair so for that idea nope. For facecamping I would say make the timer go slower like 80s for one hook state instead 60s.

So, shared hook states would actually work if the game was properly balanced around it, but it's not.

Basically, you're asking for a new game. It's honestly not a bad idea, and one I've toyed with, but ya, it would be a new game at that point.

Once there is a pool of hookstates/lifes, survivors kinda would konda stop caring about anything except camping and rushing those gens, especially if theres no time pressure to unhook.

Survivors already dislike being hooked for a minute. Howd they cope with "the time it takes to power the gens".

If i recall correctly, those were kinda the things that went wrong with Deathgarden.

It's not fair for a good survivor to die from first hook if killer couldn't catch them after hooking 3 others

I'm not sure if DEVs are ready for an overhaul, for now they can just make hook times longer, say by 30-40%. Right now you can safely get 2k if you camp, it makes no sense.

If hook times are longer, first of all it's not going to hurt non-camping killers whatsoever, they can hunt other survivors, it's actually even better for the killer, it's one survivor less who could do gens. And even those who proximity-camp won't be penalized by longer hook times directly, because right now in 9 out of 10 cases survivors get rescued before they reach the next hook stage anyway, unless the killer stays near the hook.

The killer can still camp, but then he'll just get 1 survivor at most, it's his choice. And that's how it's supposed to be, killer shouldn't win or draw by camping.

Sorry but this sounds like a horrible suggestion.

It was the most hilarious idea I've ever read about camping and tunneling.

Me dying at my first hook because the Killer hooked other people twice before me?

LOL! Oh boy, next time, I wanna see the "Survivors start the trial dead". Here, you'll be sure no one is tunneled/camped.

Stop with the Bias. I regularly play against tournament dbd team members - they have the logo in their steam profile. I often play against people who loop pixel perfect the entire game without ever making a mistake.

Actually according to the last released stats from the devs solo queue is less than 25% of players. They presented the info in a misleading way. So that means 75% of players have a 15% advantage in terms of escape rates. Let's not forget Freddy got nerfed for having a 4% higher kill rate.

If you are not playing a killer that zooms you are at a disadvantage on any map larger than 9000m².

If you are playing against a SWF you are at a disadvantage.

If you are playing an M1 killer you are at a huge disadvantage,

There is no "getting good" with certain killers. Otz said for example on his stream today it would be impossible for him to do a 50 win streak on Michael Myers. That would be 50 games of wins in a row with no addons and no offerings where he has to get three kills.

Here are some bullet points for you:

1) Maps that are larger than 9000m² are unfair to every killer that cant teleport and isn't Nurse/Blight.

2) SWF is grossly unfair and needs to give the killer compensation (i.e. 4 extra perks chosen before the match that activate in case of SWF).

3) M1 killers are completely unplayable after you reach a certain level of MMR.

4) Survivors rushing generators forces the killer to camp/tunnel if they lose too many gens too fast.

5) Making gens take 10 seconds longer and nerfing all the gen defense perks is actually a step backwards for balance.

I think you mean that in a joking way to show how badly thought out it often is to ask for both mechanics to be removed, but the issue is that your idea is pretty good but fundamentally flawed lol.

This system could easily be implemented and increase the overall quality of survivor matches immensely.

First of about the flawed logic you follow.

This mechanic, if implemented and replacing the current gameplay loop of DbD would kill the first surv on the 9th hook. Then the 10th, 11th and the 12th hook wouldn’t exist anymore as they plan to introduce a new mori mechanic that would then replace that last hook.

The idea of hook states being shared wouldn’t result in the third or fourth hooks being a death as that isn’t the logic DbD follows. A balanced match of DbD should result in two kills and two escapes what for the most part would result in matches that last at least 3 survs into the endgame, with one more dying during that time span.

Nothing about the current DbD meta off tunneling out one player early is really intended or should be aspired for a potential fix. Any fix should focus on equal fun of all players for obvious reasons.

Changing the whole hook system to what you proposed would work wonders though to archive more fun and balanced matches. It would also allow a lot of buffs to killers and maybe even nerfs to surv base mechanics to archive that goal of consistently getting 10 hooks as a killer, which then would give you two kills.

In the current state it obviously would be flawed and often create really tough and unfun matches for the killers, what we also would want to prevent with any base game changes.

But your idea would make a better foundation to balance the gameplay then the current version.

The biggest issue is that those changes are probably too much to do to an ongoing live service game and would be more fitting for a DbD 2, what we’re probably never getting, but who knows

When it is used as a tactic and not just to get 2 easy random kills as some campers do, then it's just annoying and cheesy, there's little tactic in it.