Why are we in 2022 and bubbas facecamping still hasn’t been fixed
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The few times i tried it the most fun part is when they desperately try to save and you get one after another.
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Yeah ok. Idk what was so toxic about what he said. He has a lot of friends on here so clearly he must be doing something right
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I mean to each your own. If you like it it’s fine. But it really makes for some of the most boring matches in this game
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You can't pretend to always escape, as I said before bad luck, it happens
Did i defended it? I don't remember that I wrote something similar... I just stated that you have the tools for countering it and that's a fact. If you don't like the counters for that strategy then it's your problem
Again, you aren't entitled to always escape just like the killer isn't entitled to get 4k every match... If you want to talk about busted things then survivors have easily the upper hand in this imo... Also again, facecamping doesn't exist anymore since 2017 if I remember correctly...
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you can't fix camping you can do bandade fixes to it but, it'll still be there no matter what happens people will still find a way to do it.
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I was playing against a Leatherface, and we got the last generator done, and then, bam, NOED
Now, all of a sudden, Bubba can take you down in ONE shot???????????
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You can always finish the gens before you know the camp ends.
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What if they have Deadlock + Monstrous Shrine + Pain Resonance + 90 second gens when 6.1.0 comes out?
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Did you watch the video? He had dead lock and noed
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Just do the gens bro it’s easy lmao yeah ok
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It's quite interesting how dev repeatedly said they are acknowledging facecamping as a problem yet haven't done anything to bubba though, like it's not uncommon to gut killers because of absolutely unwarranted reasons, why not nerf/destroy him when there is absolutely valid reasons?
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It is indeed... (You forgot also that you have toolboxes for speed up the repairs) if you don't like pressing m1 on a gen for 90 seconds then switch side and play killer or just play something else (like I did)
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Then why aren't 99% of all the other killers doing the same thing? It's because Bubba is excellent at camping. If he wasn't then it wouldn't be an issue.
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I don’t bring tool boxes tho. Especially brand new parts as I think those shouldn’t be in the game to begin with. I do play killer but I can only take so much out of that role before I want to stop
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And the fact that bubbas have been like that since 2017
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I mean if you don't bring best tools to the game then it's more or less expected.
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I would say Hag is great at camping aswell but nobody is playing Hag ever
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Facecamping Bubbas haven't been fixed because you can't fix perfection.
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True. Same with Trickster. Trickster is very good at camping too. You can knife spam someone coming in for the save and get them down very quickly. But the Tricksters I get don't tend to do that.
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You don't bring toolboxes... But what about the others? You can't grant for the other people... If was for me everyone would play with brown addons/items... My latest matches before taking a break were against people who took BNP and instaheals... Tell me, how it's fun playing when people use those stuff? I get why people found camping annoying, but I also understand why people camp with bubba... Personally I'd rather stop playing than playing sweaty like that or camping every match...
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Oh yeah she the second worst killer to face in my opinion as all they do is put traps by the hook
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I don't want him gutted. As for why they haven't addressed it? Maybe partly because he's an old licensed character and partly because he has BBQ, which might factor in into sales.
Now, with bp bonus gone from the effects, maybe something will be done. Although, personally I don't really believe they'll do anything in Year 7.
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I don’t think brand new parts styptics or syringe should be in this game. I wouldn’t be mad if they were deleted along with flashlights me personally. plus items run out so that’s why I don’t bring them. Trust me I tried to bring a map every game at one point to counter noed and then I ran out. I was playing with one other person not on comms tho as it was pretty late. The other two were randoms and I can’t control what they bring. I understand camping at 1 or 2 gens if you want to turn the game around. Not at the beginning of the match there no justifying that. Especially a killer that has 0 counterplay when standing near a hook. In chase he’s whatever
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It doesn't really matter if I/we want to gut him or not, I'm stating that it's weird BHVR doesn't gut bubba when they gut other killers for extremely weird reasons.
I doubt being a licensed character or perk strength matters for it, plenty of licensed characters are plain bad and if they have great perk it should be easier to nerf, as sales hit will be smaller.
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You say that like it’s a terrible thing? When I played sports and a team handed my ass to me, we didn’t go “okay guys, let’s just remember this for next year.” No, the coach and the team were like, “feel that? That frustrating feeling of losing, of being worse then your opposition, do you hate it? Then, next week, take those frustrations and tackle them head on. Destroy the next team!”
You wanna add a rematch button, I’ll gladly Bubba Facecamp the same teams that destroyed and toyed were th me, until then, yeah, I’ll with a clear concise use the frustrations I gathered and attack some random team with Bubba. Nothing wrong or bad with it~
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Let me guess you enjoy playing like that
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I'm a survivor main, I don't play killer.
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I know a guy that plays basketball.. he lost in 2011 and got crucified by the media. You what he did? He got better and won 2 straight championships and now he’s regarded as the one of the greatest athletes of all time. Maybe you should do the same thing. That cycle of toxicity won’t end with people like you
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I don’t want him gutted either. He’s fine in chase with a lot of counter play. His camping is just really unfair
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I guess the rational is that any nerf to his facecamping ability would be abusable. But I'm genuinely inclined to accept that.
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You can at least unhook people against Hag, is the thing. Like, it'll usually turn into a shitshow if the Hag is any good, and you'll be hook trading unless the whole squad comes down to meat shield you, but it's possible to get people out of her basement without happening to have weird perks like Flashbang or Head On equipped or without the killer actively screwing up.
I mean, your sports analogy involved improving yourself and fighting harder next time, not... I don't know, stealing the ball, sitting on it, and telling the next team they couldn't play because you were sick of losing. Or going and breaking one of the next guys' legs and laughing in their face for two minutes because now they can't play. Presumably you were still playing a fair and even game, just with more hunger to win. In DBD-speak, that probably means switching to a killer you're good at, equipping some strong addons, and going in with the kid gloves off.
Basement Bubba is not that. It sidesteps half the gameplay in DBD and removes all the agency to make decisions on the survivor side. It's way too effective for how easy it is to do, it's fun for precisely nobody who doesn't actively enjoy either getting kills handed to them on a conveyor belt while they AFK or who deliberately farm salt, and it should not be a thing.
Also, taking your frustrations out on randos is bad simply because it's not something you want other people to do to you. Just leads to more misery when you're randomly selected to be the outlet for someone else's totally unrelated seething rage. If you don't like strangers coming up to you and punching you in the face, you shouldn't do the same, you know?
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The best solution I could think up is that if Bubba spends too long in the same tile as a hooked survivor while not in a chase (15 seconds?), his chainsaw gets disabled until he leaves the tile or once he's been in a chase for 5 seconds (so it doesn't immediately turn back on in time to rev on any unhooker that comes by while he's camping.) And then it would need some other clause like if the saw was disabled due to inactivity, and Bubba only moved one tile over, re-entering the first tile without being in a chase would immediately disable the saw again, so he can't tile hop to avoid the penalty the same way corner crouchers dodge crows.
So he could still proxy with the saw, and he can chainsaw someone dumb enough to try and unhook while he's chasing them back to the hook/before he has a chance to leave, but if he facecamps, he can only M1.
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100% agree. I think my analogy fits better. Taking out your frustrations on other people doesn’t make you better than the people that took it out on you
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Idk how to fix it but this same dev team got rid of Afk pig. They should find a way to get rid of this terrible gameplay
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I've said it once and will say it again, they need to remove hook-grabs.
And if they're a face-camper, they better have marshmallows on their hooks, so I can Netflix and die in peace.
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The easiest and most obvious answer is to disable killer powers within a certain radius of the hook, like 10 meters or something. Maybe make it so that undetectable is nullified when you're in that radius of the hook too.
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Idk that might be abusable. I want this crap fix already tho it’s just brings in so much toxicity. Like that bubba yesterday got two people insulting him in his chat and bringing up his viewer count.
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But facecamping hasn’t been removed I don’t understand???
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It has to be more complicated than that, or survivors will deliberately use hooks as safe zones from the killer's power. There has to be some ability to punish survivors who loop around hooks or who unhook in the killer's face, so a time/proximity element is necessary to ensure you're affecting killers who are staying next to the hook and not the ones who just came back to it, or never had a chance to leave. Like, I can't express just how annoying Artist's restriction on placing birds near a hook is and how many active chases it's messed up for me. Definitely don't want that on all killers. I think that's what most people are afraid of when anti-camping measures are discussed.
In general, though, I think there are only three killers whose camping potential with their powers could use a look at - Bubba foremost, and Hag and Trickster second. The latter two would need to be changed a lot more carefully, if much at all, and everything else is fine - or if it's not fine, the upcoming 5-second BT will fix those issues.
Probably referring to how killers used to be able to literally block unhooks from happening by standing in front of the hooked survivor. Swivel hooks weren't always a thing and survivors couldn't access the prompt if the killer was in the right position.
Bubba can effectively do the same thing, though, so in his case it doesn't really matter.
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im suffering from camper tryhards too. we all do, it seems.. just last night I got camped and the other survivors argued me when I criticize the camper killer in the lobby. thats not cool, I dont and wont do it (ok admitting, I do it against tryhard survivors which are very rare). 😂
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Face-camping is me taking the gloves off and playing at the same intensity to win as I was shown, repeatedly, to an embarrassing degree. I don’t agree with you at all that Bubba is equivalent to ‘cheating’. Your sports analogy is either super silly or cheating. It’s already established that using Bubba, is not cheating, face-camping, is not-cheating. I am absolutely still playing fine and fair. You can’t “sidestep” any aspects of the game if every gamer chooses how to play, or maybe you can point me to the DbD rule guide that says you must leave hook and go chase someone else.
Im still not understanding how it’s okay for survivors to play the game how they want, to play as efficiently as they want and stress out the Killer as much as they possibly can (within the appropriate scope of the game) but when we Killers do it its a “terrible” thing. It’s fun, it’s a game, you can do it for whatever reason you want, I just personally do it to relieve some DbD stress while I unwind while playing this silly little game.
You people are not going to guilt trip me for doing nothing wrong and having fun doing nothing wrong. If its so terrible then BHVR would address it but they don’t. If it was so boring then Killers wouldn’t be bothered to do it, but we do. Even if you cry and whine and get your way, people will just create a slug heavy Myers build or something HaHa.
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I have a lot of respect for the good bubba players who know how busted his camping is but they don't do it unless the survivors make it extremely easy for them
he's a fun killer to go against when he's not doing this BS and I really enjoy vsing him, it's just there's a decently high chance they're gonna camp from the get-go and it's gonna be even more common once 90s gens with current deadlock is a thing
shame
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It’s even worse since if you loop him for a long time your going on the hook and your never getting off
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Amazing how some survivors still refuse to avoid and treat bubba as a guaranteed camper. Clinging to gens til the last possible moment or engaging in unnecessary chase, but still surprised that the killer will try to secure an early elimination.
I don't think any save should be safe unless the killer is on the opposite end of the map and camping teaches a valuable lesson about underestimating the danger of a killer's presence before or after chase.
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nobody is surprised when a bubba starts camping
it's just annoying because there is nothing you can do about it apart from gens
at least 80% of the cast BT actually works against them
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Its no dev problem, the problem are the campper. If you penalize be near of the hook, the surv gonna unhook 2 second later... Its complicated (sorry for the bad English)
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Ultimately it's on the survivor that failed the chase. Whether it's getting outplayed or personal mistakes, everyone gets 1 hook for their individual efforts.
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While I agree that SoloQ sucks (trust me, I feel your pain) I regularly camp with my Insidious Bubba and Insidious Infinite EW3 Myers. Depending on the Survivors, I sometimes lighten up a bit and resort to proxying (sometimes even leaving) the area. I camp more if someone is being "Clicky-Clicky" as a way of saying, "Yeah you're on hook and I'm in your face. What, can't click anymore? Mhm."
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It's not healthy for the game imo, there's no skill to it. Camping as most other killers does take skill despite what some people believe, you can't secure kills in this manner as someone like Wraith or Sadako. At least the other instadown killers you can either trade or wait out their powers
I see bad Bubba players still get an average of 2k purely by camping one dude then killing someone with NOED. "Just do totems" but the counterplay to camping is doing gens so...
Yeah.
Something should be changed, people who want to camp, will camp - no amount of incentives will change that.
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Bubbas camping is very unhealthy and most players do it for salt.
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