WHAT'S THE FIX TO CAMPING?

Insidious should have been changed years ago.

It's trash and only encourages boring playstyles

Like, the hooks have a static position as for now, and when the Killer hooks someone, it teleports somewhere else? Then, maybe disable it for EGC. I think when the Killers camp during EGC, it's OK. The game is pretty much over so... If the Survivors aren't going together to save, it's on them. (But I understand people who prefer to escape when it's like Bubba camping.)

Teleporting the hook survivor for any reason is a bad idea.

Hooked survivors are a form of pressure. Hooking a survivor in the middle of a 3 gen and guarding that area is valid. Not to mention the basement exists as well which is an area intentionally set up to be strong to defend against unhooks.

Ok,that's definetely funny but i think we can agree that most people use this perk to camp hooked survivors

I don't know. Basement Bubba? That's one use for it but it's not much different from the usual camping.

IMHO going against such a play once in a while in fine, funny even sometimes. If it's more than that it may get old fast.

You would need to employ some pretty serious basegame changes in order to make camping and tunneling not viable, like increasing gen repair speed for every dead survivor by 10% or something along those lines and THEN rebalance the entire game so that killers are viable. A complete nightmare. Basic gaming sense and maybe basekit Kindred for SoloQ would have been enough in my opinion, but with the upcoming camping/tunneling buff, cranking out gens just won't work.

It's very very simple. Not necessarily perfect, but I'd call it a 95% solution.

Remove hook grabs and hook interruptions. Once you get the prompt and press the key, you're locked in animation (same like when the killer picks up). You still get damage. So, the killer is still free to get the trade.

But they can't just stand at the hook and camp 2 people by playing the grab game, or force an additional person off gens, or simply get guaranteed kills via facecamp and passive slowdown.

That, and the hook timer per stage needs to be increased given the increase in gen time.

There. You can still camp strategically. It's the mindless standing at the hook that is nerfed.

I unfortunately don’t think camping will ever get resolved.

brillant,

and my fave

I agree. This would fix that issue without making it impossible for a killer to do something.

Personally I think they should start by changing how BP are awarded for hooks/sacrifices. Currently i think you get a base total of 700pt for each hook and then a 1000pt bonus for a kill. I'd create a scale so that the hook values start small and increase with each hook on a given survivor, and in addition, the kill bonus is larger depending on the number of times you hooked that particular survivor. Emblems should function in a similar way to get iri devout and making it so the more times you hook a survivor, the better your odds are to pip or double pip.

I currently play mostly so that I get each survivor on death hook before I look to sacrifice one (it's a more interesting way to play for me, camping and tunneling are just freaking boring). This provides me the incentive to get away from the hook to let them save so I can cycle through my hooks as quickly as possible.

I don't think this alone is enough to really start a shift away from camping, but in conjunction with steering perk design towards Devour, MYC, and new Monstrous Shrine where being away from the hook is more beneficial, it can push things in the right direction. This is a better choice than changes to fundamental gameplay imo. Camping should still be an option (because that hook-saboing, butt-dancing, body-blocking, clicky boi Steve just has it coming sometimes), but it and tunneling should be the least rewarding style of play.

In summary: more effort should mean more rewards and vice-versa.

Yeah, but it's one survivor on the hook, on in chase, so only two left. So you can down the on running around the hook, hook him while third one have to unhook the first, heal, therefore spend a lot of time.

I seriously don't understand how it affects normal gameplay. In my whole experience I don't remember many times when survivors go to next hook stage just by hanging (not counting suicides).

Maybe give a bp bonus, say 25%, when you hook each survivor for the first time? Perhaps tie it to a perk that shows distant survivor auras to further encourage leaving hooks? Nah, that's probably crazy....

Hook stage timer definitely needs to increase since gen times are increasing. It shouldn't be possible for all 3 remaining survivors to be pounding out gens as efficiently as possible, while the killer can still facecamp one to death and have time to mop up the rest.

Also need to give a slight increase to unhooking speed, or take back the free STBLF stacks on the PTB and instead further reduce the speed boost duration of injured survivors. This would accomplish the same goal of weakening hold W without buffing camping.

Also DS has been nerfed enough already and shouldn't have been touched again. It's going to be tunnel city when the update drops.

I think the best they could do would be a survivor perk that somehow penalizes it. So that way killers who like to camp still can, but they run the risk of doing it to a survivor who has a particular perk equipped. This is off the top of my head so hasn't been thought through, but it could be like if they're within a certain distance of the hook there's a small gen speed increase, or hook timer slows, or their hex totem lights up for survivors. I don't know, just throwing ideas out.

Personally, I don't get camped enough for it to bother me. But it seems to be one of the biggest game complaints so having a counter seems inevitable, but you don't want that counter to take away a killer's choice. Just make it less safe.