General Discussions
General Discussions
"prestige"
Seems like BHVR is still missing the definition of word "prestige". So, let's look at Oxford dictionary.
pres·tige
/preˈstēZH,preˈstēj/
noun
- widespread respect and admiration felt for someone or something on the basis of a perception of their achievements or quality.
So, how can you possibly feel respect or admiration for someone, if you can not perceive their achievements because they are hidden?
I'm reffering to the new red scratch mark background, which is still hidden.
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I'm not sure what you mean-- your Prestige level is shown in the endgame screen, so people absolutely can see your ""achievement"" there?
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I'm reffering to the new red scratch mark background, which is still hidden.
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But the point of that gift is to show acknowledgement of effort, the definition of "prestige" is completely irrelevant here. It's not for that, it's just a little badge you get because you put in a lot of effort.
You are the only person who it's relevant to.
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honestly even an icon during the endgame screen would be better. at least other people can see that.
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"You are the only person who it's relevant to." - refer to dictionary definition. If it's only shown to me, than it has nothing to do with prestige.
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But it doesn't? It's only tangentially related to the prestige system, it's a personal acknowledgement that you participated in the previous prestige system.
It - and any other reward they'd come up with - is just a little badge for you to show the dev's acknowledgement that you were playing and prestiging before the change. That's it, that's all this is meant to achieve, I'm flummoxed at how mad some people are managing to be about this.
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The "acknowledgement" of prestige is only tangentially related to prestige? Does that make any sense to you? If it's only slightly related to prestige than what is it strongly related to?
Yes, it's "personal", which is exactly my point. "Personal prestige" is an oxymoron, like a "working vacation" or "instant classic".
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That's really all I wanted tbh
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Bruh
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It's related to the prestige only to acknowledge that you participated in the old prestige system.
It is not a part of the prestige system.
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If it's not part of prestige system than I can get it without having to prestige? No? Than it is part of prestige system.
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Agree.
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Oh my god. What is this?
your prestige levels aren’t taken away from you, you still have them (actually they get translated to the new system) and they are being displayed in the end game score screen.
the reward you are talking about is not supposed to be a direct reward for your prestige level - as you will not be able to get it with the new prestige system. It’s only meant as an acknowledgement that you have taken part in the old system - without wanting to screw over those that didn’t prestige. You did not reach P3 because of this reward after all.
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You did not reach P3 because Impfung this reward after all.
I did and I am very disappointed.
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That autocorrect fail though.
well, WHY did you? They have explicitly stated that it won’t be something major as to not ‚punish‘ those that decided not to prestige…
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because I wanted my bragging rights on my mains, which is what they talked about on stream / dev update. Just different prestige icon would be enough for me. I didn't want much really, but they still manage to disappoint me.
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Okay, yeah i get how this is upsetting
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Same. Its great that they acknowledged the peepee glitter was lazy and F* ugly, but the biggest thing people were complaining about was this. They said "bragging rights" IDK how many times, and kept referring to an "icon" but nobody can see it. What we got is technically an icon I guess. IDK why, if they're going to take feedback, ignore the biggest thing.
End of day, I couldn't care less who knows I prestiged what character before the update, but a reward only you can see, that you will likely turn off bc it makes your character menu inconsistent is just a stupid idea. Its their mindset about this whole thing that I can't wrap my head around. Thats why I would have preferred an endgame logo (or nothing at all honestly as I'll just be turning this feature off bc its pointless really).
With the number of people who are completionists, having something like this is going to drive them crazy, even if they prestiged everyone to 3 because future characters won't have it.
They listen but will also just make a tweak to what they already did instead of make a real change so not to be "wrong"
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So, instead they punished those who decided to prestige.
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How so?
nothing got taken away from us. We just got something that’s completely optional. That’s not a punishment and for some actually nice to have..
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Bloody prestige skins are going to be more common now, thus devaluing them. It's absolutely a punishment to devalue something that took a lot of effort to get.
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It wasn’t a lot of effort though? You just won’t lose your stuff anymore but you still have to prestige and use pretty much double the BP to get them..
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How much value you put on your effort is personal consideration. just like $100 to a millionaire is not same as to someone who barely has anything to eat.
There is no extra effort involved in getting bloody skins now and not even a choice not to get them. Whereas before, people had to make sacrifices. Of course something that everyone will eventually get is less valuable than something that only few had who made the tough choice.
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But there are people that already didn’t sacrifice anything at all to get the bloody cosmetics with the old system. Like me for example. I just used up all items/addons etc and then prestiged just the same way it’s now…
and with your logic, you can argue that for some it’s actually more effort now with the new system as you need to reach p4-6 instead of p1-3
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There is no respect here, there is only disdain
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You sacrificed 150 webs worth of perks. And you had to play tougher matches for longer due to lack of perks after every reset.
As I said, there is no sacrifice now, so there is no extra effort now.
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Nope. Not true, I actually loved the fact I had fewer perks which gave me reason to experiment with different perks and combos. I would say that was the opposite of sacrificing something..
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"sacrifice" - destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else
Whether you like making sacrifices or not is your own personal choice. That is not the discussion here. But the fact that you had to surrender close to 300 perks for the sake of getting prestige fits the dictionary definition of word "sacrifice" perfectly. There is nothing in the definition that says you are not allowed to love making sacrifices.
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No destruction or surrender of anything in my eyes. At all. I didn’t sacrifice anything by prestiging.
but anyways. That’s not even the topic. (Otherwise we could talk about how people had to sacrifice getting the bloody cosmetics just because they didn’t prestige and.. well let’s not go there)
you are talking about how a reward for using the old prestige system should be somehow related to the definition of the word prestige. but that’s not what this reward should be about, it’s just a demand you made without any basis. You could have said you were disappointed that the prestige icons weren’t the reward as they have talked about those before - but otherwise this is a life-service game, changes have always been a thing here and should be expected. But in this case - nothing gets taken away from you. You do get a reward which you may not like but still.. it’s optional and you could even use it for bragging (streaming, showing screenshots on social media, maybe even on your platform account etc).
just be honest and say how it is: you think the reward wasn’t worth your personal effort and you wish it was something else that you also would like to be able to showcase eg on the end-match-screen. You don’t have to make up something about how the system is named ‚prestige‘ and therefor the reward has to be related to the definition.
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"Otherwise we could talk about how people had to sacrifice getting the bloody cosmetics just because they didn’t prestige" - you can't sacrifice something you don't have.
"you are talking about how a reward for using the old prestige system should be somehow related to the definition of the word prestige. but that’s not what this reward should be about, it’s just a demand you made without any basis." - it's not a demand, it's a critique. Where do you see me demanding anything? Also, in first sentence you confirm that you understand my basis, but in the second you say that there is no basis.
"otherwise this is a life-service game, changes have always been a thing here and should be expected." - and this somehow makes it forbidden to critique?
"nothing gets taken away from you" - i already explained loss of value twice.
"streaming, showing screenshots on social media, maybe even on your platform account etc" - people should be forced to use inconvenient external tools to compensate for game deficiencies? That's like if your city stops providing public transportation and tells you it's not a problem because you can buy a car or walk.
"You don’t have to make up something " - I say what I want to say and how I want to say. Not sure why you think you get to control my speech.
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Not saying I can control it or you shouldn’t critique. I tried to help so your critique actually can be perceived as constructive. you can of course continue with this, but it’s very unlikely that anyone takes it seriously.
you can't sacrifice something you don't have.
you don’t actually have anything in this game, everything is subject to change or could be deleted (see EULA) and you are just using the digital goods. sacrificing in this context is just really not appropriate at all looking at the definition you edited in in your previous comment..
people should be forced to use inconvenient external tools to compensate for game deficiencies?
not at all. As it’s not a deficiency in the first place. It’s a video game and we are talking about a small reward for having used a now to be reworked progression system. It was never promised to be the way you say it should be as the reward was never directly linked to being prestigious.
but hey: if you are actually just looking for „widespread respect and admiration“ - who actually defines „widespread“ in this concrete context? Maybe it’s widespread among the devs and creators of the game who are aware of your accomplishments with the old system. It doesn’t have to be widespread among the people you play against/with.
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your prestige levels aren’t taken away from you, you still have them (actually they get translated to the new system) and they are being displayed in the end game score screen.
Fun fact, as of now if you are P3 with all perks your efforts are being actually ignored compared to someone who is P3 level 1.
So yeah, they are disrespecting people who put more efforts in the game.
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as far as i understood, both get translated to P9.
but the inventory will not be deleted, right? So the P3 all perk will still have plenty of items/addons/offerings as well as all general perks. But the one P3 lvl 1 won’t have anything but the unlocked perks from other characters, right?
also, do we know which level they are gonna be? I would assume P3 lvl 1 will be P9 lvl 1 and the one P3 lvl50+ should be P9 lvl 50? Or will they both start at lvl 1?
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Exactly, both translated to P9 instead of applying the same catch up logic based on perk tiers that is applied to everyone else.
Noone will have their inventory deleted, but that has nothing to do with it. People who didn't prestige are gaining prestige levels based on perk tiers, preople who P1 or P2 are gaining prestige levels based on perk tiers, people who P3 can go ######### themselves and be capped at prestige 9. That doesn't really seem fair to me.
I'm assuming all characters are going to be either PX whatever level you were at, or PX level 1.
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These are the moments i regret reading the forums. Please allow me to express something that im sure all the devs wish they could say. You exhaust me.
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Sounds like the problem is on your end. Guess what, forums are not your personal echo chamber.
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Agree. All this discourages me from even starting the game until this mess is sorted out. Otherwise, it just feels like I'm wasting BP. Good time to catch up with Steam back log of other games ;)
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Yeah I mean, after they revealed the P3 "reward" I gathered a few even items and offerings while the event was live and then never bothered to open the game again since anything I do is basically going to be a waste of time.
I could bring the characters that I still have at P0 to P1, so that they'll be P3 after the update, but as I said, I gathered the event offerings and items on them sooooo not gonna throw those away now 🤷♂️
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whoever says the reward for p3 before update is good, is a weird man
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I'll add to this. Since we're all being encouraged to prestige, it's by definition, no longer something prestigious. We're almost required to P3, in an unofficial sense, in order to reduce the grind. The ubiquitous nature of that mechanic therefore invalidates the "accomplishment"; ergo, it is not prestigious.
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Exactly! If everyone has prestige, than no one has prestige!
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Yep! Succinct and well said.
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