Gen speed is ridiculous

You know that "high MMR sweaty SWFs" are just the excuse tru3 is using? Because he is one of the people who are really not able to reflect their own mistakes. He rarely has the thought that he did not play good.

(He will also probably never be great with any Killer, because he plays all of them AND does Viewer Builds, and sometimes those are just bad (like this Clown-Build he is using in the video)).

In fact, tru3 is one of the reasons why I would find it funny to see MMR. I am usually against it, but this dude is claiming that he is high MMR all the time, and it would be funny to see him at around an average level.

and swf can still complete gens and open gates in less than 5 mins lol.

While I did see this match in action, something that a lot of people fail to realize is that survivors literally spawn in right next to their one and only objective. It's like the killer spawning right next to a survivor. BHVR needs to stop having survivors spawn right next to generators. Yes, generator speeds are a tad too fast (a fact acknowledged even by BHVR themselves), but when you have survivors spawning on top of their objectives with perks and items that also increase generator speeds, it's no wonder that matches can go that quickly.

Almost everyone agrees that Clown is weak. Almost everyone agrees that Mother's Dwelling is survivor sided.

Plus True decided to camp and it didn't pay off because the other survivors simply decided to do gens.

And gen times are being increased, alongside a bunch of other killer buffs.

I feel like the more Killer explains, the more flaws in their word...

The survivors were in control of that match for its entirety due to their efficiency. Even if he left the hook and pressured with that meme indoor map build they still would have been able to get all the gens done nearly as quick, clown can't pressure 4 survivors at once. If ones on a hook and ones trying to unhook or being chased, there are still 2 on gens. That said, their greed 100% caused the 4k, which is why a lot of people don't like using kills as a metric for how the match went. Games like this completely pollute the data, and many SWFs die by being overly altruistic instead of because they got outplayed the whole match.

He's discussed this a lot, but he feels that killers have less time/chances to adapt to survivor playstyles than vice versa. Its harder to go for hooks and then switch to lame tactics if you're falling behind, because survivor agency in matches is front loaded. Their efficiency and strength is highest at the start of the match, and shifts toward favoring the killer with each interaction (downs/hooks/pallets used/doors kicked/etc.) When he's using user submitted builds he generally tries to adapt them to win since people are literally paying him to do so.

No, they were in control because of his camping, Clown cant pressure 3 people at once if he is camping a hook, I dont think anyone can. If we are going to talk hypothetical scenarios we can argue we dont know how good the rest were, what if the other 2 were bad enough to get downed very quickly? what if he managed to get 2 downs when there was 1 gen left? what if? Ive won games where I was at 1 gen left, with 0 hooks and ended them with 11 hooks and 1 gen left.

He may be right Killers have less time to adapt but this whole thread is about gens going fast with this clip as proof which is not a valid one because it was a case of hard camping, what does the OP want? camp for 2 full hook stages and still have 4 gens left at 0% each? Either he camps and secures a kill or he leaves hook, risks a rescue and pressures the gens so they dont go as fast.

Sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it too.

Acting as if he didn't lose the match is extremely disingenuous. The survivors threw the game in order to try and get some fun out of an otherwise dull match, or because they felt bad about feeling the poor camped survivor behind. True would have lost the game had it been a more goal-oriented group of people.

The issue is, even if he didn't camp, I don't see the match going much differently. A detail I don't see mentioned is that while his pressure was suboptimal, it wasn't null. There were only two survivors working on gens since Dwight was just wasting time. In the time it would have taken True to go and attempt to disrupt the remaning two people, Dwight would have unhooked the Meg and not much would have changed, he'd still have at least two people working on gens. Given the size of the map and the communication the survivors had, there'd be little way for Clown to exhert any area of pressure.

The thing is, talking about "gen speeds" is not really that useful in itself, because repair speeds may be the same on Coal Tower and Mother's Dwelling from a purely mathematical standpoint, but that doesn't matter when it takes twice times as long to reach a gen on the latter than it does on the former. No amount of generator charges that feels fair on Mother's Dwelling is going to be also fair on other maps, because the problem isn't the gens, it's the design of the map itself.

The way you begin this argument is disingenuous. The three survivors not on a hook could have left and escaped with their points. That's a "tournament win attitude" that a lot of SWF people play by. If as True suggests we start looking at when hooks happen it will show that most of the "action" happens after the survivor objective is usually complete. This makes for one sided gameplay for the survivors.

I'm not sure what you mean. It seems we agree to some extent? Most of the action happened after the gens were completed because the survivors decided to not just leave the game and have some interaction instead. This isn't a situation where survivors try to turn a 2k into a 1k and get punished for it, it's just them being overly altruistic towards their friend because both them and True knew the game was, for all intents and purposes, over. It's the same thing when killers chase a survivor, down them, and then still carry them to the hatch. It means "I won, you lost, we both know it, so there's no point in not giving you five thousand bloodpoints."

Repair speeds on Coal Tower and Mother's Dwelling are extremely different. Know why? If you try to shift+w on Coal Tower you have a very high chance of running into someone on a generator in about 15 seconds. The same thing won't happen on Mother's Dwelling in most cases until you've been running for about 60 seconds due to the size difference. A map like Coal Tower has a chance to be fair to all killers because you can potentially pressure two people during one chase. All the old maps used to work like this but were eventually resized so it just stopped happening.

That's my point. Even though the gen speeds may be mathematically the same, in the sense that a survivor that spends one second on a generator will always complete one charge, the effective gen speeds are different because of the way the map is designed. It's nice that you found an additional way in which this is true but, again, we're not disagreeing.

The funny thing about Mother's Dwelling is that it makes the faster killers better because they can zoom around the map and survivors have to "walk" by comparison. Hooking someone in a far corner on a large map takes a large portion of the hook timer just to get close. The only thing that might make large maps fair would be to reduce the pallet counts for large maps. Maps larger than Coal Tower could have fewer tiles and more dead zones so that you have far fewer pallets per map surface area. That could potentially be an interesting way to make large maps fair to all killers.

I don't doubt this would make the map more bearable, but I'd prefer if they just gave up on making huge maps. A gigantic map with no pallets may be less stacked against the killer, but who would want to play on that? It would just more of a press-shift-and-w simulator. All the fun gameplay happens at loops and pallets. I'd rather have maps that have a decent amount of pallets but that are also small enough that throwing them down is something of a commitment from the survivor's part, and you can't just prethrow every single pallet and still complete five gens with more to spare.

It's funny that the Shroud of Binding is the highest tier shroud available to survivors but also the worst one. I don't really play SWF but even in Prove squads I'd expect you'd rather use Union.

Clown with a meme build, on the biggest map in the game. Proxy camping is the only way to deal with this situation. If you think he could have gone for multiple chases and hooks, you don't play killer in high MMR. Did they feed him after all gens were done? Ofc, but that's not the topic.