I feel like I'm missing something here

what? did you not read the thread or something, we're discussing why people are complaining, i have no idea what your even trying to say, i think you missed the context here

It really is. Almost like being a main automatically invalidates a opinion or something like that.

Its save to assume that everyone on this forum likes the game. Some prefer playing only one role, some like to play both roles. But independently on what roles someone plays, everyone can have their opinion. Calling someone out for having a different opinion is simply ugly.

I´m also not referring to you.

Considering how the devs "never" wanted to increase gen times and all the other changes looking like they were made to increase camping. I´d say that those stats must have been really low. Maybe so low, that releasing them would have caused a major outcry. So they decided against it.

Our community is kinda special. Just look at how the forum performed during the last few days. While i would also like for them to be more open about everything, there certainly is a very loud minority that overreacts. So they probably are more cautious with releasing certain data.

I mean, there was some data released during a event. With a disclaimer, that those stats are not representative at all and yet, people took it like this and that is OP.

So i really can´t blame them.

Seems I struck a nerve..

I don't play SWF. I don't mind Dead Hard's nerf.

"Power Role" should not mean the "Easy-Win Role".

To be perfectly honest, as an M2 only Billy that doesnt use slowdown, it hasnt been too noticeable, I may had 1 game where the increase gen speed saved me, but that's it. To be fair, I have a niche playstyle where I dont tunnel or camp, mainly since I think it's boring for both sides, but Ive tried to make the game as enjoy for me and others.

I lost a lot of games and won a lot of games, but from my POV, the changes dont really do anything, but Im not mad about it, I just would have prefer different changes over the ones we got. I think killers struggled from the awful map design (too strong/safe of loops, too big of maps, etc), and the changes they made only promote horrible playstyles.

While I can say that as killer (with my niche playstyle), I have been enjoying the update, I did play some SoloQ survivor (I play both sides), and it's an awful experience, BHVR really needs to look at it.

Because most base buffs dont really apply to your gamestyle, the 2 free SBFL stacks, increased breaking speed and less sprint after hit dont apply to chainsaw hits. Only the 2,5% base regression after kick and 10 second gen speed really affect you.

I do notice the base changes, especially the SBFL and less sprint ones, the increased gen speeds is also noticeable, especially when there is 3 gens left onwards.

Pyramid Head's cages let him negate Decisive Strike and Borrowed Time. Now, he can only cage you if YOU go into his torment trails. He can't put torment on you.

But you would not BELIEVE the level of whining and the sheer number of posts about how BROKEN and OP Pyramid Head's cages were when he first came out.

A feature that is 100% in the hands of survivors, and all it does it prevent them from using two super-overused perks.

And, after all the whining, PH got nerfed like four times in a row. To satisfy the waves of whining survivors who refused to, you know, NOT get tormented (or even just to run other perks).

Now, with the perks themselves getting weaker? There's no single killer they can protest to get nerfed. So it's a "give us back our crutch perks or we quit." But make no mistake, it's just the PH situation all over again. People will whine endlessly before they try to do literally anything differently that what they've been doing in the past.

"IF it was paired with a real nerf to slowdown or regression", what do you call ruin now? or pop? or DMS + PR? Additionally complaining about the 2.5% insta regression = .025 * 90 = 2.25 seconds. You shave off 2.25 seconds off the gen but wait you have to sacrifice 1.8 seconds to do the kicking animation, so the killer only gets 2.25 - 1.8 = .45 seconds back for their investment

I see you are just a troll. One last time, though.

I never said playing killer is "easy."

I said it has become "easy-win"

Nurse is not easy to learn/play. But, she is very easy to win with. See the difference?

Seems you have very little experience in the game, though. You should learn the game more before you complain. Actual good/experienced players see your comment and laugh at how bad/new you sound.

Amen to this! My games feel relatively normal as both killer & survivor. Most of the killers I face don't bring any crazy slowdown builds. Overall the perk builds I've been seeing are greatly varied and everyone I play with seems fairly confident for the most part. Don't get me wrong, Solo Queue certainly has its moments. However, the sheer level of complaining I have seen in the face of the changes does not reflect my gameplay at all. Sometimes I get four kills, sometimes everyone gets out. Sometimes all four survivors leave, sometimes we all die. All in all, I haven't seen anything really crazy. Killers are stronger yeah, but they're not as absurdly oppressive as the community is making it out to be. Sure I haven't faced a Deadlock, Deadman's Switch, HEX: Ruin, HEX: Undying Nurse yet or some Thanatophobia Legion yet, but if they're strong I'd argue it's a result of pre-existing strategies.

Hahaha next joke. Acting like all those buffs are major.

Yeah let's remember it's 10 PERCENT.

Thanatophobia was ran on exactly 0 killers except legion and plague before, so no difference there. 2 percent buff.

Camping buffed lol what you got inbuilt BORROWED TIME. Doesn't matter if it's only 5 seconds. It's free.

Use old borrowed time then, or OTR. Literally no difference to pre patch.

Yet survivors now stack prove thyself etc to make gens fly.

Your baby attitude is absolutely shocking and how you list all these tiny buffs that make literal zero difference in a good even match, as a list of shocking buffs, is funny.

Please can you tell the last 10 sets of survivors who stomped me, as fast as pre patch, that they aren't getting with this killer dominant agenda.

Not a real nerf to slowdon because it got compensated by the 10 extra seconds per gen plus buffs to Jolt, Eruption, Gift of Pain, Overcharge and overall much MUCH faster chases thanks to 2 free SBFL and decreased sprint.

Having Ruin and PGTW nerfed doesnt mean regression is nerfed, if you buff other stalling perks to take up their place, you just change the perk but not the end result.