Dredge Nightfall is too dark

I just don't like broken doll and how much other addons can increase the charge rate of it.

I still think playing in a nightfall isn't that hard. I can simply just remember the tile layout near me with a quick glance.

I hate it too but people find fun aparently not being able to see tiles or not see nothing on darker maps (even worst with boon overlay) , because HoRrOR ViBeS , but that why i put mi video filters ready everytime i face a dredge , F console players i guess.

I don't think its too dark. Survivor main and yes it definitely puts you on your heels and you have to be extremely aware of any nearby pallets but in general, his kit isn't punishing. He is anti-loop with the darkness and ability to locker jump, similiar to Freddy's TP.

Yes its very dark. Its also very paranoia inducing. The audio doesn't help (probably some of the best audio for a killer) as it definitely makes you play differently, even if you are certain the killer isn't nearby.

I have no problem with the power, it comes and goes, it makes the survivor play differently or at the very least, be 100x more cautious/map aware. Your survivor gameplay would likely improve a lot more as well vs Dredge b/c you will have to find times to ignore the audio in darkness and all the paranoia or accept it and play super safe. I don't have a problem with Dredge's power, outrunning a Dredge while in darkness is hard but isn't impossible.

WoO is a pretty good perk so its not a bad idea, and it works outside of just dredge games

Hearing people talk about Nightfall being too dark reminds me of a horrible glitch that me and a buddy encountered, but have never been able to replicate since we don't know what triggered it.

We were in a KYF match with just us two (just messing around with dumb builds) and we had both played a Dark Fog offering. We loaded into some Yamaoka map and we were met with what we've affectionately called "The Darkest Night on Yamaoka".

Veteran players will remember the moonlight offerings, which were able to change the atmospheric lighting of the entire map. These offerings have been retired for a few years now. Yet we believe that we somehow managed to get one to trigger: which caused the moon to vanish making the entire map nearly pitch-dark. I was already in a dark room and neither of us could see ANYTHING around us aside from the little lights of candles and fires. We stumbled around for nearly 4 minutes before running into each other (with him being able to see my red stain). We could not play like this, deciding to then try to find hatch so that the game can end because it was terrible trying to move around. I didn't have any recording equipment to catch this (not only as it'd help my claim but to relive the memory) and my buddy could never get his PS4 to record anything.

When we had heard about the dredge being able to "blanket the map in darkness" we were hoping for something like that. Only to be a bit disheartened from the PRB where things were not that bad. Survivors could still see about 18m around them and most big structures were still somewhat visible. I'm glad that Nightfall became more oppressive, but it still needs some work as to not be some harmful to player's eyes.

"the power should make further things darker"

That would make his power completely useless bestie, please stop asking for free escapes.

lol it's always funny when killers bring the "this is not realistic" argument in a game with fantasy killers, who can change the lighting of the world at their own wish.

It's all about gameplay and fun and not about realism.

That's such a toxic mentality. This is a video game, it's meant to be fun for everyone. Powers should be fun to fight against as well, or you have awful designed killers like nurse, old/current with addons spirit, addons blight, old deathslinger, trickster, nemesis w/ drag exploit, pinhead, etc.

Just do what I do and right as Nightfall hits, run to the edge of a map and hide behind rocks and trees, staying far away from any locker. It’s boring, but at least you’re not running blind.

I got terrible eyesight so most maps cause some for of eye fatigue for me but I don't find night fall that bad compared to things like the main building of garden of joy, almost every building on haddonfield, red auras on cow maps or any brown cosmetics on swamp maps.

It’s not a fun thing to deal with no doubt. My main issue is just how long it can last though.

In general, I don't need my games (which is play, you know... for enjoyment) to make me feel vicerally sick. Who thought at BHVR that negative reinformcement was a good thing? How about instead of "debuffing" the survivor through a killer power, you buffed the killer?

Win-win situation no?

I mean, since when, as a business, degrading the customer experience... I mean survivor experience... is the right course of action? And before you tell me "well this is a horror game, it is supposed to make you uncomfortable", where do we draw that line?

Is it ok to have the screen turn blurry with discordant sounds to start inducing diziness in you? Oh, wait... never mond, we already have this covered by the Clown...

How about making it so that your screen turns darker and darker to a point where you just give-up the chase to have the killer put you out of your litteral misery? Ahhh... bad example, we got that covered by Legion and Plague...

Oh, I know, I know... what if we made something so punishing to the survivor (like prevent them from running, interrupt all their actions - including the one attempting to remedy to the current condition, ...) that they could not ignore it? Cenobiiiite, my man!

I know, I know, a bit of a caricature here, but only to drive this point: you don't have to use negative experience (i.e. debuff) to balance the game play, you can instead use a positive experience (a buff) on the other party.

BHVR, any thoughts?

His passive power requires you to injure, keep people injured, hook, and use his power to chase. If a dredge isn't doing any of these he gets only 0.25c/s and it takes 300 charges to get nightfall.